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Sure the new one will widen that old smile!

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Just cruising along minding our own business when BAM!!! The LAWS show up.

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Wow, just getting up to speed on this posting. Sorry to hear the bad news Jeff, but then happy to hear things are going in a positive direction. I need to get out your way and see the recovery process. Anymore feedback on a Nashville meet and greet? I am somewhat embarrased to say I am going all stock on my 351 2V after reading this posting, but that is in line with the rest of the car. Once the bills are paid on the 72 the 67 390 will get the horsepower investment. I need to get some info. on your machinist. I am getting ready to rebuild the 72 motor and getting mixed signals on some of the machinist here in Memphis.

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72 Mach 1 H-Code (Concourse driven restoration)

67 S-Code Factory GT with 4-Spd

68 Mercury Cyclone (Pro-Street project)

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As to all stock, please upgrade the rod bolts to ARP and the valves to one piece valves. These two changes really should not be ignored.

 

 

 

Now for the next news

 

I ordered my cam, lifters and springs. Solid roller from Lunati

 

Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 278/285

Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .641/.641

LSA: 112

 

With the MME Racing 408 stroker kit decided on, and the cam now ordered I need to decide on Roller Rocker, a timing chain set, oil pump, gaskets and a few other odds and ends like an oversized oil pan

 

this should put the "Beast" in Beastly :D

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As to all stock, please upgrade the rod bolts to ARP and the valves to one piece valves. These two changes really should not be ignored.

 

 

 

Now for the next news

 

I ordered my cam, lifters and springs. Solid roller from Lunati

 

Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 278/285

Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .641/.641

LSA: 112

 

With the MME Racing 408 stroker kit decided on, and the cam now ordered I need to decide on Roller Rocker, a timing chain set, oil pump, gaskets and a few other odds and ends like an oversized oil pan

 

this should put the "Beast" in Beastly :D

 

Glad to hear its all working out for ya! That cam is definately healthy. Any reason why your going with the solid roller instead of the hydraulic roller?? I know they make more power, but seems like a pain in the butt to have to set the valves every couple thousand miles. Not bad on a track car but on the street it might get old. Just my .02 But i think you will definately like the 408! Good luck.

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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I drive a couple of thousand miles a year lately, so adjustments don't bother me that much. I was letting a mechanic friend do them, and if I had done the last adjustments, I might have avoided the failure (probably not) Finally, oiling mods and hydraulic lifters don't play well together. I didn't want to bush the lifter bores, so the solids made more sense to me.

 

It is just a personal preference and it isn't really about more power as much as it is about building it to suit my taste.

 

My goal is 1.21 Gigawatts of power output.

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My goal is 1.21 Gigawatts of power output.

 

LOL!!!!!:D Great Scott!!!! Thats gonna be one hell of a powerful motor!

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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My goal is 1.21 Gigawatts of power output.

 

LOL!!!!!:D Great Scott!!!! Thats gonna be one hell of a powerful motor!

 

LOL!! I think you are definitely headed in that direction, Jeff!! :cool:

Doc

Project started 8-7-10

Completed: All new suspension, rebuilt 351C H Code bored .030 over with mild cam and intake, new 3.50 TracLok, custom exhaust system

Current "mini-project": interior upgrade :-/

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I'm going to add a dual flux capacitor circuit so that as I travel forward in time, I can travel backwards at the exact same pace and vice versa

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I'm going to add a dual flux capacitor circuit so that as I travel forward in time, I can travel backwards at the exact same pace and vice versa

 

rofl rofl

Doc

Project started 8-7-10

Completed: All new suspension, rebuilt 351C H Code bored .030 over with mild cam and intake, new 3.50 TracLok, custom exhaust system

Current "mini-project": interior upgrade :-/

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Lunati has introduced newer hydraulic roller lifters that are similiar to their high rpm used on LS1 engines. They claim the high rpm dont pump up as much as the standards, they have the lower oil band designed for the Cleveland bores, and are tie bar drop in design. No dog bones or hold downs to install. I agree oil mods can affect hydraulics, but depends on the degree of mods, as you already know. Just thought id mention it.

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Lunati has introduced newer hydraulic roller lifters that are similiar to their high rpm used on LS1 engines. They claim the high rpm dont pump up as much as the standards, they have the lower oil band designed for the Cleveland bores, and are tie bar drop in design. No dog bones or hold downs to install. I agree oil mods can affect hydraulics, but depends on the degree of mods, as you already know. Just thought id mention it.

 

I am running hydraulic roller lifters in my 408 and they are the tie bar drop in design also. No other mods were necessary to make them work. Did not have to bush the lifter bores. Cant remember what brand but im thinking they are comp.

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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I spoke to the tech at Lunati as he mentioned those lifters-just not what I want.

 

The oiling mods that affect the hydraulic lifters are using these

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-22050?seid=srese1&gclid=CNCah_f1zbcCFZNj7Aod4H0AGg

 

since I have decided to build for a power level far beyond stock, I feel the need to improve oiling to the lower end. I think the explanation in the listing is a simplistic way to put it, but close enough for Government work

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I've mailed all my brackets to Wolverine for painting. That should give me plenty of time to build an engine while the paint drys

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I've mailed all my brackets to Wolverine for painting. That should give me plenty of time to build an engine while the paint drys

 

lollerz

 

+2! Calling Wolverine. Come in, Wolverine! rofl

Doc

Project started 8-7-10

Completed: All new suspension, rebuilt 351C H Code bored .030 over with mild cam and intake, new 3.50 TracLok, custom exhaust system

Current "mini-project": interior upgrade :-/

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I've mailed all my brackets to Wolverine for painting. That should give me plenty of time to build an engine while the paint drys

 

lollerz

 

+2! Calling Wolverine. Come in, Wolverine! rofl

He's off somewhere being "interesting"...

Let me check your shorts!

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I always enjoy your posts, but I think it is just the signature ;)

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Hey Jeff, good luck with the new powerplant. The restrictor kit is all I've ever used for oiling mods and have had good luck so far. With the last two clevelands I've built (one being an iron headed 408 very similar to yours) I also put a restrictor in the #1 main above the oil crossiver passage, right below the #1 cam bearing. The moroso kit does not supply enough restrictors to put one there as well. You Without this restrictor, if the #1 cam bearing if not installed perfectlyit can bleed out a lot of oil. might want to talk with your engine builder about this.

 

I also know that TMyer sells special cam bearings that precludes the use of restrictors.

 

http://www.tmeyerinc.com/exclusiveproducts.html

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Thanks, I'll follow up on that as that is new information to me. Since you have done a similar build, perhaps you could answer a question.

 

With a Holley 850 Double pumper what jet size in both the primary and secondary would you suggest I start with, will I need to upgrade to the larger accelerator pumps and which accelerator pump cam worked best for you? I realize it might not be any more than a rough starting point but I am curious. I will probably do my initial start up on my 700 CFM double pumper as it is far friendlier on cold starts

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I ran a 750dp with out stepping up to the bigger 50cc acc pump. This was a race car mind you but never had a problem getting up on the converter. Not sure about the pump cam and squirters. I believe I used 76 jets with a 3.5 power valve in the front and 86s in the rear.

 

Here's a startup video.

 

 

Also here's a good thread to read about the oiling mod.

 

http://www.network54.com/Forum/119419/message/1207711411/Here+is+what+I+did+to+mine

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Thanks, I'll follow up on that as that is new information to me. Since you have done a similar build, perhaps you could answer a question.

 

With a Holley 850 Double pumper what jet size in both the primary and secondary would you suggest I start with, will I need to upgrade to the larger accelerator pumps and which accelerator pump cam worked best for you? I realize it might not be any more than a rough starting point but I am curious. I will probably do my initial start up on my 700 CFM double pumper as it is far friendlier on cold starts

 

If you are serious about getting the 850 dialed in I strongly suggest investing in a wideband O2 sensor and gauge. You will also need to have the nerve to do some judicious drilling and tapping on your carb if it is not already set up with adjustable metering orifices. I can elaborate on this if you like.

 

This is how I tune a double pumper:

 

Start with the factory Holley calibration. Get the idle and transition circuits close with IFR and IAB tuning if necessary. There is no specific AFR to target other than one which makes the car run well at idle and just off idle and does not produce sooty spark plugs. Depending on cam timing, compression etc... it can be anywhere from 12.5-14:1. Next you want to tune your cruise AFR to target the smallest possible primary jet which you can get to without surging or sputtering at cruise speed. Depending on MAB size this will probably be between 72 and 74. This AFR at cruise can be as lean as 17:1 in some cases. Again it is all about how it drives. If it doesn't surge or sneeze lean is good. With an overdrive transmission it is possible that you will be cruising on the tslot at lower cruise speeds. Make sure you are on the mains when establishing main jet AFR even if it means tuning cruise in 4th rather than 5th gear. Next disconnect the secondaries and dial in the PVCR's for 12.5-13:1 WOT on primaries only. Because you have leaned the main jet for best economy you will more than likely have to enlarge the PVCR's. Make small changes. Now it is a simple matter of tuning the secondaries for the same WOT A/F ratio with secondary jetting. As far as the pump cam and shooter go that is a matter of trial and error. If the carb has a pink cam from the factory and you are experiencing a stumble and you are sure you have the pump arm adjusted correctly an easy place to start is to flip the pink cam upside down. In this position it gives a very aggressive initial shot similar to the blue cam. The REO pump is generally only needed in extreme cases. Again it is easier to disable the secondaries and tune the primary side first.

 

Obviously there can be a little more to it than that but those are the basics.

 

EDIT: Vacuum advance is mandatory for optimum lean cruise. Power valve should open at about 70% load.

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I feel like I am back in school. Thanks guys this is great info! I will put the wideband O2 sensor in while I add replace the factory center gauges with Mechanical ones. You guys rock!

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Alright, it is time for my update.

 

My Lunati Cam and roller lifters and springs are awaiting pick up at Fed Ex

 

My cylinder head is repaired and machinist said it was even less damage than he thought, so no problem.

 

My Headers were nitroplated and I picked them up this morning.

 

If I can borrow a truck tomorrow morning I'll take my spare block in to have it machined so I can order my rotating assembly.

 

I also sold some of my gun collection and raised enough to cover the balanced forged rotating assembly, and a few more parts, so I am feeling a bit better about it all.

 

I don't think it will be done by the 4th of July, but hopefully not long thereafter.

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