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Welcome from Oklahoma.

 

Looks to be a nice, desirable Mach 1. -Really a good find. Straight and unmolested. It would be a great car to try and keep as original as possible.

 

As long as the cowls, floors and trunk drop-offs are not rusty - I would not give more than $2500 and to be safe expect that EVERYTHING will need to be refurbished/rebuilt. Great car and love to see its Marti report.

 

For the 71-3 Mustangs, I have never heard of any "Hurst" special designated models. ----Or for any year of Ford vehicles.

I know GM had a few and even International had one in their Scout.

Ray

 

2500 $, that's incredible, you can imagine what you need to pay outside of US. But it's like this.

My Grandé 4 speed get also the Husrt shift, from original.

 

Manu64,

 

from Google translate

 

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Et votre 4-vitesse Grande est un rare aussi. Avez-vous le rapport Marti pour votre voiture?

 

And your 4-speed Grande is a rare one too. Do you have the Marti report for your car?

 

Ray

1971 Boss 351  

1972 Q code 4 speed convertible 

1971 Mustang Sportsroof  351-2V FMX 

1971 Hardtop (parts car)

1973 Mach 1 (parts car)

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Wow Ray. Only $2500? I think that is way low for a rust free car of any model. If it were priced for that it would sell immediately. Rust free means no rust repair and that's big $ for the repair or big $ to buy the car without the headache or shop time.

 

You know I respect your opinion a LOT on here but I think you're much too low for this one.

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OK - I might be low on my valuation (might go $3500) but the car is not running, not together. Why was it dismantled and left that way????

 

So help me figure some true costs here:

 

Motor including parts and labor ?

Reassemble, bodywork and paint (remember cheap usually equals never done or cheap quality paint job) ?

Rear end, axles and bearings ?

Brakes, suspension and tires ?

Interior ?

 

To assume that everything is OK and needs nothing is just a little too optimistic for me...

So I try to protect myself. I say I try...

 

I'm just saying if the car was complete and in excellent shape it would be bring ?

 

"Rust free"? I'd want to look it over closely. If indeed - that is very rare and I can see a higher value applied.

Guess I am very skeptical... been burned a few times.

 

It (cost) adds up very VERY fast.

 

Ray

1971 Boss 351  

1972 Q code 4 speed convertible 

1971 Mustang Sportsroof  351-2V FMX 

1971 Hardtop (parts car)

1973 Mach 1 (parts car)

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OK - I might be low on my valuation (might go $3500) but the car is not running, not together. Why was it dismantled and left that way????

 

So help me figure some true costs here:

 

Motor including parts and labor ?

Reassemble, bodywork and paint (remember cheap usually equals never done or cheap quality paint job) ?

Rear end, axles and bearings ?

Brakes, suspension and tires ?

Interior ?

 

To assume that everything is OK and needs nothing is just a little too optimistic for me...

So I try to protect myself. I say I try...

 

I'm just saying if the car was complete and in excellent shape it would be bring ?

 

"Rust free"? I'd want to look it over closely. If indeed - that is very rare and I can see a higher value applied.

Guess I am very skeptical... been burned a few times.

 

It (cost) adds up very VERY fast.

 

Ray

 

Ah, I see where you're coming from. I didn't realize it was disassembled. Yes, I agree it would have to have a very good rust inspection. I made some assumptions that you didn't make.

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Looks like a really solid car to me, and I think some good points have been made. I'd give the motor a close once over, and make sure that it turns freely. Welcome to the forum! I'd buy it if given the chance

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Mine was looking totally solid when I bought it (around 13750 $). And I did a lot of repair already on it, clutch, exaust and more, and I don't count my time.

And when I decided to remove the full interior included carpets, I saw what was really rsuty. Ok it's not critical, but still need to bring her to the shop to consolide the front floor pan and the right rear part, where the seat belt is fixed.

So, a full inspection is needed to really "see"and give an approximatly price on a car.

Mustang, Mach 1 and 351

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Thanks for the great welcome from everybody and I really want to thank everyone for their input on the car and your help in my attempts to assess realistic value for this Mach I. So far, I can see there is a lot of interest in a fairly "unmolested" car of this year and model. To address some of the questions and issues, let me follow up with some answers.

 

Pertaining to the "Hurst Edition": I thought this was a case of someone coming up with the idea of the Hurst Edition because, over the years, the reference to the "Hurst" shifter made them think it was something special. As OMS pointed out, all of the 4-speed cars had Hurst shifters. Weren't all of the 4-speed cars also top loaders?

 

manu64: I'm sorry I failed to respond earlier, it's just that I was away from the house yesterday helping a friend put an engine in a truck he's working on and I returned home very late last night.

 

Don65Stang: I'll have to check on the wheels but, IIRC, the owner told me they are 15s. Also, to answer one of your earlier questions (may have been in a PM), the set of wheels/rings/caps are complete and the only reason the front ring and cap isn't on the car is there was damage to the original tire.

 

Boss1Ray: If I could buy the car for the dollar value you've indicated, it would be a done deal. Unfortunately, the owner wants significantly more than you've stated. But, you bring up some excellent points. The original 351 is under the bench, where is was put years ago with the anticipation of switching the power to a 429. Things change, the original motor, 4-speed, front wrap, and virtually everything to put the car back together is available. In fact, the car could be assembled in original form and running in a matter of days. The owner also has a number of new parts for the car. The car was dismantled because the owner intended to switch to the 429 and essentially bring the car back to "like new" condition. Elimination of even the possibility of ANY rust was a consideration at that time. The only rust I've been able to see is some minor oxidation and the typical rust as shown in the attached pictures. Now would be the time to fix this! But, as they say, things change. The car hasn't been driven in years! But, it's also an undamaged, never wrecked specimen.

 

ebay has a '70 that is complete, rebuilt, but it is a 428 CJ car. They're "Buy It Now" price is $42,000.00 and it was just listed.

 

On Craiglist, in Denver, is a '72 Mach I (351/C6) that is repainted, but not completed, and there has been some deviation from "stock". He's asking $6,300.00 and it can be seen here...http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3846232928.html.

 

So, I'm continuing my search/research and I'll keep you all up to date on what I find out. At some point, I'm probably going to have to list the car on ebay, per the owner's wishes. If I do, I'll put the link to the car up on this thread.

 

Can I say again, THANKS to all for your help. This is a great site!!

 

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don

 

Normally a "Heartbeat" kind of guy...but, I have some Ford questions. And, as was pointed out to me...maybe there's a little "Blue Oval" lurking in there somewhere! :huh:

 

 

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ebay has a '70 that is complete, rebuilt, but it is a 428 CJ car. They're "Buy It Now" price is $42,000.00 and it was just listed.

 

On Craiglist, in Denver, is a '72 Mach I (351/C6) that is repainted, but not completed, and there has been some deviation from "stock". He's asking $6,300.00

 

 

 

One thing you have to realize is that you can't compare a 71-73 to a 64-70 price wise. A 429 71-73 wouldn't bring close to what a 67-70 would of the same condition. Plus take into account that the 70 is probably numbers matching. Its even the same with the Bosses. A Boss 302 or 429 are going for very high dollars. It seems to me that the seller of the car your looking at may be valuing it a bit higher than its real worth.

 

I wouldn't go above $5000 if it is as truly as nice as you say. I cant understand why its missing the stripes and a fender (obviously an accident) There's still a lot of work to do. And it all depends what you want out of it too. If your going to fix it up and sell it then talk him down. I don't think $3000 would be an insult. But just remember these aren't the high dollar cars you may think they are. And you may not get your money back after a restore and sale.

 

If you actually like the car for yourself and want a nice 71-73 and you don't want to miss the opportunity for a good conditioned mach then you may have to go higher.

 

Either way it looks like a cool well optioned car. Good Luck!

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ebay has a '70 that is complete, rebuilt, but it is a 428 CJ car. They're "Buy It Now" price is $42,000.00 and it was just listed.

 

 

One thing you have to realize is that you can't compare a 71-73 to a 64-70 price wise.

 

... I cant understand why its missing the stripes and a fender (obviously an accident) There's still a lot of work to do... I don't think $3000 would be an insult...

 

Either way it looks like a cool well optioned car. Good Luck!

 

You're right, I shouldn't have picked a '70, and a 428 CJ, as an example in this case.

 

The car is not missing any stripes. As Don65Stang pointed out, this car did not come from the factory with the hockey stripes, however the black exists on the rockers, below the trim, as it would have come from the factory. Also, you may have missed my initial post, where I indicated "This Mach I is a woman drive, never wrecked, and never damaged car." In the post immediately prior to your reply I indicated the front end, original motor, and virtually everything required to put the car back together was available. The tin was only removed in anticipation of a motor swap and complete reconditioning of the car.

 

Based on additional research, including (private) input I've received on this site, $3,000.00 is an extremely low price and I think such an offer would not be well received.

 

Again, I appreciate everyone welcoming me to the site and the input on the car. We'll keep working on it and I'll let everyone know if/when it is listed or if it is made available for sale on the open market.

don

 

Normally a "Heartbeat" kind of guy...but, I have some Ford questions. And, as was pointed out to me...maybe there's a little "Blue Oval" lurking in there somewhere! :huh:

 

 

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If this is a clean, no rust, all original car then $6300 is a steal especially with a Q in the VIN and 4 on the floor. I personally think it's worth more and am not sure why everyone still has the belief that these cars are not worth much. A rust free car for $3000??? Really guys? How much do you think it will cost to repair a rusty cowl and floorboards vs buying one that needs no repair?

 

I want to see the prices go higher across the board for our cars because it helps all of us when the 71-73 prices climb upward. But if you really think prices are that low offer me your cars for those $2k and $3k prices and I'll flip them for a profit. ;)

 

Takers anyone?

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I purchased my southern Arizona completely rust free, never wrecked 1973 H code for $6,000 with a 1971 running Grande parts car. The Grande is just that - a parts car. My Mach 1 did not run and was minus the transmission and radiator (hince the parts car). The interior needs a new headliner and a new carpet but is otherwise complete and not tattered.

 

That is real world rust free pricing.

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I purchased my southern Arizona completely rust free, never wrecked 1973 H code for $6,000 with a 1971 running Grande parts car. The Grande is just that - a parts car. My Mach 1 did not run and was minus the transmission and radiator (hince the parts car). The interior needs a new headliner and a new carpet but is otherwise complete and not tattered.

 

That is real world rust free pricing.

 

Thank you Steven Harris. This is closer to what I expected when I first started researching this car. Some of the key elements of this car are the current owner being the 2nd owner. I'm basing a lot of my discussion/actions on "his word" and he's always been straight with me. I've been told repeatedly, the car has never been wrecked, never even been damaged, and I've seen first-hand the condition of the tin. I've been told, and related to you all, why the car is apart and I believe the owner. He says he has all the necessary equipment to bring the car to drivable condition in less than a week. I have, in fact, urged him to clean up and reassemble the car to show prospective buyers the car runs, drives, and to give them a better idea of the overall condition of the car.

 

Now for the bad news! I finally had the owner give me his final "lowest acceptable" number. Wow! Unfortunately, I've also been asked not to divulge that number while the car is going through this initial round of discussion, advertisement, etc. NOT trying to pull any quick ones here, I'm just following through on the owner's wishes.

 

I've sold a lot of cars, trucks, motorcycles, tractors, etc., including quite a few for a number of my friends. Sold on eBay, Craigslist, local advertising, word of mouth, etc., and people will tell you I try to be straightforward and painfully honest. To that end I've told the owner I think he's really high on his pricing...but, IT IS his car and I am only working on the sale of the car, given that I WON'T buy it at his price. So, I'm not competing with anyone with an interest in this car and I'm not going to be a factor in the price of the car.

 

If you want to see it in it's current eBay listing, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mach-I-/190851852686?_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&forcev4exp=true here it is.

don

 

Normally a "Heartbeat" kind of guy...but, I have some Ford questions. And, as was pointed out to me...maybe there's a little "Blue Oval" lurking in there somewhere! :huh:

 

 

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Sad to hear that it doesn't seem like you'll be picking this one up! Hopefully it doesn't dissuade you from finding a 71-73 of your very own and joining the crew!

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It definitely looks to be a nice and solid car. I would agree with your "wow" comment in it's context. His car - his prerogative. It appears that he is going for the "barn find" look to help sell but I am not sure that will help in this case. We will soon know. Although it is a nice car it does not have some of the optional criteria to attract big money. In it's favor it is a Q code and a 4 speed.

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I wanted to try and clarify my previous comments and why I am cautious on placing value:

 

I have learned the more you give for anything - the more you take for granted of the total item is usable. Ok - still confusing. To try again - If you can buy something at the right price for you, and if nothing needs any attention you win big. (Got a good deal.) But the entire process of determining the condition is about how much you want to gamble. I have bought plenty thinking how nice it looked and ended up with buyer's remorse as I started peeling away to find all the hidden problems.

About the referenced car:

After further examination using the pictures listed on ebay - I do find this car in remarkably nice original condition.

If I was a serious buyer, I might go as high as 5k on ebay. I really don't expect it to go much above 5k.

My gut is telling me the owner is looking for somewhere near the 7500- 8000 range. Maybe higher --- OUCH.

Of course I am guessing but I really don't see the car getting there in it's current configuration. But if the owner were to reassemble, get it running and do some minor detailing, I think it might go for low teens. Again just my best guess/opinion.

 

BTW I really like the 15" wheels, caps and rings!

 

Ray

1971 Boss 351  

1972 Q code 4 speed convertible 

1971 Mustang Sportsroof  351-2V FMX 

1971 Hardtop (parts car)

1973 Mach 1 (parts car)

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I wanted to try and clarify my previous comments and why I am cautious on placing value:

 

I have learned the more you give for anything - the more you take for granted of the total item is usable. Ok - still confusing. To try again - If you can buy something at the right price for you, and if nothing needs any attention you win big. (Got a good deal.) But the entire process of determining the condition is about how much you want to gamble. I have bought plenty thinking how nice it looked and ended up with buyer's remorse as I started peeling away to find all the hidden problems.

About the referenced car:

After further examination using the pictures listed on ebay - I do find this car in remarkably nice original condition.

If I was a serious buyer, I might go as high as 5k on ebay. I really don't expect it to go much above 5k.

My gut is telling me the owner is looking for somewhere near the 7500- 8000 range. Maybe higher --- OUCH.

Of course I am guessing but I really don't see the car getting there in it's current configuration. But if the owner were to reassemble, get it running and do some minor detailing, I think it might go for low teens. Again just my best guess/opinion.

 

BTW I really like the 15" wheels, caps and rings!

 

Ray

 

Ray, thanks for the additional input. And, I find the points you've made to be pretty consistent with my perspective on things. Too many buyers jump on things because they look at things as they are "in their mind" and they're not actually looking at what's literally, physically in front of them. I've been buying and selling cars for years and I have a fair amount of experience at it, but I've still had my issues. LOL!! I'm going to try and convince the owner to reassemble the car into driving condition. Even at that, I don't think the car will bring what he is hoping to see out of it. But, if we can resurrect one more old piece of tin, and maybe reassembled it'll spur him to recondition the car and enjoy it, that will be a little success story in its own right!

 

Classic case: The truck before..."ready for paint", lots of parts, reasonably priced. To get to the truck after, another $4,000.00 in parts and almost $5,000.00 in body and paint work!!

 

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Thanks, again! don

don

 

Normally a "Heartbeat" kind of guy...but, I have some Ford questions. And, as was pointed out to me...maybe there's a little "Blue Oval" lurking in there somewhere! :huh:

 

 

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Hi Everyone,

 

As promised, I wanted to update those of you interested in this Mach I (or, at least the story of the car) following the eBay listing. As you are probably aware, the car did not sell during the recent auction. The bidding hit $7,100.00 at auction's end. However, immediately after the end of the auction I was contacted by two bidders stating they had tried to enter $8,000.00 right at the close. Both of the individuals had been in active contact, asking a lot of questions and expressing a lot of interest in the car.

 

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In subsequent conversations I've come to believe I could get a little over $10,000.00 for the car...but, I have been unable to get the owner to entertain selling the car for between $10,000.00 and $12,000.00 as the car sits!

 

So, that's where we are, at this point in time. I wanted to say, again, thanks a lot for all the input.

don

 

Normally a "Heartbeat" kind of guy...but, I have some Ford questions. And, as was pointed out to me...maybe there's a little "Blue Oval" lurking in there somewhere! :huh:

 

 

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flipper :whistling:

 

I guess I'm not up on all the terminology! This means???

don

 

Normally a "Heartbeat" kind of guy...but, I have some Ford questions. And, as was pointed out to me...maybe there's a little "Blue Oval" lurking in there somewhere! :huh:

 

 

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