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Anyone recommend anything during the build, how much yall think it cost? And how long? Mechanic is reasonable and done a lot of work with him and he rebuilt clevelands before

 

absolutely!

please answer these questions one at a time

 

tell us exactly what heads, intake, carb and exhaust you have.

 

are your pistons dished or flat top?

 

what is your gear ratio?

 

what if any of these things are you willing to change?

 

what do you like about how it runs now?

 

what would you want to change or gain?

 

will you tun premium gas?

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I am so sorry to hear that. It sure didn't sound good in the vid(that's an awful sound, had it happen before). Sure hope you get it rebuilt soon & at a reasonable price. Hopefully there wasn't to much damage done to the crank. Good luck with it!

John - 72 Q Code

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This really gets me upset, Im sorry you are having to deal with the actions of an ignorant person. keep us posted please.

Dennis

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My biggest fear :( engine Rod out, engine needs to be overhauled and rebuilt, tried new magnum pushrods, comp cam lifters and rocker arm but still not good, you can hear the Rod when you lift car up and hear it :( well at least I will have new engine rebuilt :-) and the guy is paying for everything :)


Anyone recommend anything during the build, how much yall think it cost? And how long? Mechanic is reasonable and done a lot of work with him and he rebuilt clevelands before

That is the best attitude by far at this point, New fresh rebuild for FREE !!!

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See my first post #9

My diagnosis was correct full rebuild..everything pistons, rods, crank, bored.. align bored..the whole shabang.. stop playing games wasting time.. pops did a number on it.

 

See my project thread for my 351 cj/boss build I just did

To build up a nice all around streetable 351c your looking 5-9k when all is said & done

http://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-green-72-fastback-former-429-460?page=2

 

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LOVE OF BEAUTY IS TASTE..THE CREATION OF BEAUTY IS ART

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Document everything well, every damaged part and cost,,, sure hope you don't pick up any damage getting the motor in and out,,,,, man I would have been ticked

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just out of curiosity can anyone help me identify my block specs?


The last picture show the cam that was used which is Comp Cap 32-234-4 (Hydraulic-Street / Strip use with 3000+ stall, 10:1 compression, low gears. Racy idle.) and it was bad as well. I decided to go with Comp Cam 32-224-4 (Hydraulic-Great for mild Street Machines. Stock converter, 3.30-4.0 gear, headers. Mild rough idle.) also bought the whole Comp Cam Kit

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D2AE-CA 1972 Cleveland used in Mustang and Torino, 2 and 4 bolt mains

 

2K13 Cast Oct 13, 1972

-john

(jbojo)

351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Upgrade Phase 1

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1972 Mustang Coupe Blue ( Sold )

1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Mach 1 Green ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Vert Yellow

1971 Mustang Mach 1 Pewter

1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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i would not use those ex gaskets . . buy remflex

 

high volume pump is unnecessary if engine is properly built . . i would install a hardened pin in the distributor gear if i used a high volume pump.

 

i would not use break in additive . . i use joe gibbs break in oil.

 

i would not use comp lifters . . they are crap . . i use cranes.

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Just read the whole post....this sucks!

 

Im glad you are getting your engine rebuild and they are paying for the work!

 

Good luck, build here nasty but street friendly ::devil::::thumb::

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Yes another 10 days and the car will be ready again, Total cost the machine shop and mechanic and parts the son deposited in my account was $3300


And I disregarded that gasket and using Fel Pro 1416


Also using these stainless steel Valve set


Will post a pic of engine before it goes back in the car, planning into painting it as well to have the fresh look :-)


Thank you Barnett468, I read reviews for joe gibbs break in oil and Summit had the best price :) Thank you for the advise :)

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1972 Mustang Coupe Blue ( Sold )

1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Mach 1 Green ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Vert Yellow

1971 Mustang Mach 1 Pewter

1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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The machine shop refused to install these valves on my 351 Cleveland, they will use their own so they can warranty my engine :)

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1972 Mustang Coupe Blue ( Sold )

1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Mach 1 Green ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Vert Yellow

1971 Mustang Mach 1 Pewter

1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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The machine shop refused to install these valves on my 351 Cleveland, they will use their own so they can warranty my engine :)

 

they wont use your valves but they use comp cam lifters . . thats pretty funny.

 

those are likely eaton valves made in china but no complaints of them breaking.

 

exactly what are the valves they want to install?

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if I read your post correctly the son deposited $3300.00 in your account, If that is correct I am so glad. Talk is cheap the fact that you got the cash that is great news.... I was worried you wouldn't see anything but promises.

Dennis

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yes I got the cash in my bank already :) I will have to check with machine shop tomorrow about type of valves. its a hot rod machine shop and their reviews are excellent, they use the best parts, but just like you said maybe they do like the comp cam lifters

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Amer Salhi

 

1972 Mustang Coupe Blue ( Sold )

1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Mach 1 Green ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Vert Yellow

1971 Mustang Mach 1 Pewter

1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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yes I got the cash in my bank already :) I will have to check with machine shop tomorrow about type of valves. its a hot rod machine shop and their reviews are excellent, they use the best parts, but just like you said maybe they do like the comp cam lifters

 

as i mentioned, the comp lifters are crap . . they are inconsistent in quality and have a much higher failure rate than all the other brands.

 

i have been a comp dealer for around 20 years and quit selling the pos's because i got tired of sending bad ones back for warranty, plus the low budget ones are made in india if that matters.

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OK i just got my motor back from machine shop, rebuilt and balanced time to put parts all together and paint it before it goes back in my car, now the machine shop did not recommend using Melling high volume oil pump cause they told me it will hurt with the regular oil pan size, this is the current oil pump in it but I want to change it since it may bad and the engine is already open, current one is Melling M84A, would you guys recommend using same on or go with something else, 351C with 4V closed chamber heads.

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1972 Mustang Coupe Blue ( Sold )

1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Mach 1 Green ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Vert Yellow

1971 Mustang Mach 1 Pewter

1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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The standard pump should be fine. I would use a heavy duty drive rod from ARP, Ford Racing, Milidon, etc.. Check pick up to pan clearance, 3/8"-1/2". A loose ball of aluminum foil works as a checking media. With the stock pan run an extra quart of oil in the pan (6 quarts total). Chuck

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is this one good? Melling - Oil Pump Shaf Part # IS84A 8.44" length by 5/16" hex stock replacement drive shaft. Meets or exceeds OE specifications. Made in U.S.A.

 

 

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Amer Salhi

 

1972 Mustang Coupe Blue ( Sold )

1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Mach 1 Green ( Sold )

1973 Mustang Vert Yellow

1971 Mustang Mach 1 Pewter

1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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is this one good? Melling - Oil Pump Shaf Part # IS84A 8.44" length by 5/16" hex stock replacement drive shaft. Meets or exceeds OE specifications. Made in U.S.A.

 

 

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You could use that and probably not have a problem. I use the larger diameter in the middle ones. I view it as cheap insurance. This is a picture of the ARP part. Chuck

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The standard pump should be fine. I would use a heavy duty drive rod from ARP, Ford Racing, Milidon, etc.. Check pick up to pan clearance, 3/8"-1/2". A loose ball of aluminum foil works as a checking media. With the stock pan run an extra quart of oil in the pan (6 quarts total). Chuck

We are supposed to use 6 quarts of oil in a stock 351c w/stock oil pan?

John - 72 Q Code

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the stock type pump is fine if you dont spin the engine over 5000 rpm . . if you do, i would put a washer under the relief valve spring or install a high pressure spring . . i would never run a stock oil pump shaft on any performance engine.

 

do you need break in suggestions?

 

is it a non roller cam?

 

i would also run a wix or jomar or ford racing oil filter

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