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The standard pump should be fine. I would use a heavy duty drive rod from ARP, Ford Racing, Milidon, etc.. Check pick up to pan clearance, 3/8"-1/2". A loose ball of aluminum foil works as a checking media. With the stock pan run an extra quart of oil in the pan (6 quarts total). Chuck

We are supposed to use 6 quarts of oil in a stock 351c w/stock oil pan?

 

All the OEM 351C oil pans were of the same capacity and same external physical dimensions. The Boss, HO, and CJ had internal baffles. Click on this link and go about half way down the page to "dip stick". http://www.boss351registry.com/351_Cleveland.htm

Ford even put out an internal bulletin back in the day. Sorry I couldn't find a copy of it to post. Again, cheap insurance and no, it won't blow out any seals or hemorrhage oil. Chuck

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Chuck, it says 6 quarts for Boss & 5 quarts for CJ. Am I missing something? (thanks for posting that info, very cool) I just changed my oil w/5 quarts, should I add more. Sorry I didn't mean to change or take over this thread, glad Salhir got his motor rebuilt and paid for by the guy who messed it up.


Ok I just figured it out, same pans, just different dipstick calibrations. Thank's Chuck

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Chuck, it says 6 quarts for Boss & 5 quarts for CJ. Am I missing something? (thanks for posting that info, very cool) I just changed my oil w/5 quarts, should I add more. Sorry I didn't mean to change or take over this thread, glad Smir got his motor rebuilt and paid for by the guy who messed it up.


Ok I just figured it out, same pans, just different dipstick calibrations. Thank's Chuck

 

5 qts for all non boss clevelands . . if you have a windage tray, you can run at least another 1/2 qt . . 1 qt max.

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Chuck, it says 6 quarts for Boss & 5 quarts for CJ. Am I missing something? (thanks for posting that info, very cool) I just changed my oil w/5 quarts, should I add more. Sorry I didn't mean to change or take over this thread, glad Smir got his motor rebuilt and paid for by the guy who messed it up.


Ok I just figured it out, same pans, just different dipstick calibrations. Thank's Chuck

 

5 qts for all non boss clevelands . . if you have a windage tray, you can run at least another 1/2 qt . . 1 qt max.

Thank's barnett468!

John - 72 Q Code

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the stock type pump is fine if you dont spin the engine over 5000 rpm . . if you do, i would put a washer under the relief valve spring or install a high pressure spring . . i would never run a stock oil pump shaft on any performance engine.

 

do you need break in suggestions?

 

is it a non roller cam?

 

i would also run a wix or jomar or ford racing oil filter

 

 

Yes Barnett, what are you break in suggestions, its a non roller cam, Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshafts Comp Cam 270H


I am going with WIX 51515 Oil Filter

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I agree with Chuck, standard oil pump and heavy duty shaft.

 

It looks like your pick up is a little beat up. I would make sure the tube isn't bent, twisted, kinked, or any holes in it. The screen has been pushed in, make sure the mesh hasn't compressed the holes, which could limit oil flow.

 

And, like Chuck said, check the clearance to the oil pan.

 

 

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--Albert Einstein

 

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Yes Don, I got brand new pickup. Melling Oil Pickup 84-AS1

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Yes Barnett, what are you break in suggestions, its a non roller cam, Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshafts Comp Cam 270H

 

GAS TANK

 

If the gas tank has brown good from dried up gas clean it out, it will blow your engine up.

 

 

OIL

 

Joe gibbs break in oil

 

 

VALVE LASH

 

comp lifters are crap and they may make a ticking sound . . Adjust the comp lifters to 1/2 turn preload.

 

 

PRIME

 

Spin oil pump with 1/2” drill for 30 seconds.

Turn crank 180 degrees and spin pump for 10 seconds

Turn crank 180, spin for 10.

Turn 180, spin for 10.

 

 

TIMING

 

Turn engine until intake valve is fully closed then turn almost 1/2 turn until you see timing marks on damper and line them up with tdc.

 

Make sire the rotor is pointing to number 1 cylinder.

 

Remove all plug wires except for number 1 cylinder.

 

Plug the distributor vacuum advance.

 

Connect timing lite and turn engine over and set it to 10 btdc.

 

Reconnect plug wires.

 

 

THERMOSTAT

 

Remove it

 

 

RAD FLUID

 

Water only

 

 

HOSES

 

Tighten them, then tighten them again.

 

 

FAN

 

Put a big one in front of the rad.

 

 

STARTING

 

have someone start if while you operate the throttle on the carb.

 

instantly rev it up to around 2000 rpm and set idle screw.

 

after a few minutes the rpm will increase, reduce it to 2000 rpm.

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Thank you Barnett, 2 thumbs up for your help, appreciate it :)

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I like that timing trick. I always just set mine close and turn it by hand as it is cranking-but next time I start one from scratch I'll try that

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Engine about to be painted

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I think it is, they were about to start cleaning the block from grease before painting but I had to leave before taking pics

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the machine shop painted those although we told not to but they painted them

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I have never seen that before, I don't think that will seal properly. Not to mention the paint on the inside of the heads can't be good for the valves. Looks like pure laziness on the machine shop.

John - 72 Q Code

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You can wipe down the gasket mating surface with acetone to remove the paint, but you want to be very conservative in the use of the acetone as you don't want it touching the head gaskets. The valves, hopefully don't have any significant amount of paint, but if they do, it will end up in your oil and valve guides.

 

The 1st rule in engine building is cleanliness is next to godliness. 2nd Rule is there is no such thing as clean enough-there is clean, and there is not clean.

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The 1st rule in engine building is cleanliness is next to godliness. 2nd Rule is there is no such thing as clean enough-there is clean, and there is not clean.

 

+1

 

Kind of a strange time to clean the block, the time to clean it is before assembly.

 

Maybe your problems weren't entirely the old man's fault.

 

 

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well I went to the Mechanic and he already fixed the problem before I told him anything. He removed that paint :) and not the engine is painted, my current intake is Offenhouser Port O Sonic Model 6120 and that is the cleanest it will be, Could anyone recommend an intake to go with my 351C 4V and same height of the current one please. Thanks

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1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

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1972 Mustang Mach 1 Grabber Blue

1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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Assuming a near stock build, the Edelbrock Performer should work well to a bout 5500 RPM and be about the same height as what you have now. See the Edelbrock site for exact dimensions. Chuck

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I went ahead and bought Weiand X-CELerator Intake Manifolds 7517

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1970 Mach 1 Red ( Sold )

1972 Mach 1 Gold ( Sold )

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1971 Mustang Fastback Red

 

 

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That's a single plane manifold & you should probably go with dual plane. Like Chuck recommended, the Edelbrock Performer might be a better choice. But I'm not sure how your motor is set up.

John - 72 Q Code

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