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Last spring we bought an unfinished 1971 Mustang prostock project out of a warehouse in southern California. The build was started in 1970 and appears to have been a factory sponsored car.

 

From what we where told it was only half done but when we got it un burried it pleased us to find that it was nearly complete. Basically a ready to go roller with no engine or transmission. It had not been touched since Sept 1970.

 

Some but confusing recourds with it and the owner of the warehouse knows little about it - they bought the building in 1981 and it was there.

 

If it is a real body in white factory car I did good. If it is just a old school racer then I paid way to much. I have got some great help from people who know about the 1970 Trans Am factory body in white cars run by Bud Moore and they say it looks to be real just they have never heard of it. Ford has no recourds of it but we have a shipping reciept from Ford for #xx-xxxx and this car has that number on a rivited tag on the cowl. I am not posting the number yet until we figure out for sure what we have.

 

We did find paper work for engine work from a Paul Machine in Jupiter Fl dated 1970. That is how I found this site. I tracked down the owner of the address listed and he bought it from Paul Machine in 1986. He gave me the last contact info he had and it was still good. I talked to Mr. Pauls son and asked if he knew anything about it and was shocked to find out that Mr. Paul Sr. was still alive.

 

I flew to Missouri and met Mr. Paul at his sons home - Not only did he have recourds of the engine work he did he still had the engine. He had recieved a deposit and the engine was never picked up or paid for. From memory he thinks it was an Ed Terry or Martin car but they switched to a Maverick and then Ford bailed out of drag racing in 1972. I was able to purchase the engine for a fair price.

 

We drove down and what a great guy Mr. Paul is. He took me in his shop and in between his MANY Boss 429's and SOHC 427's was a 351c with all the 1970's tricks and port plates still in place. It was a Boss Engine shiped directly from Ford to Mr. Paul in 1970. He said I should join this site and post about the car.

 

He included another set of modified boss heads that he said would look the same but actually work better than those "cut up mother f.....ers". I wanted him to go through the engine but he said no saying at 94 he was not able to do much anymore.

 

We have stayed in touch and I have got him in contact with collectors and restorers that I know and they have been able to purchase quite a bit of his stuff.

 

We are close to documenting the car - it will not be a high dollar collectible because it was never raced or clearly owned by someone famous but it will be a nice piece. Once we are done confirming everything I will post pictures.

 

It was an honor to meet Mr. Paul and his family. I hope to be half as sharp as he is if I even make it to the 90s.

 

Mike Bunch

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Welcome from TriCities WA. Great story and looking forward to pics and the build.

-john

(jbojo)

351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Awesome story, dig it! Anxiously waiting for more ::thumb::

Welcome from Pittsburgh, PA.

Pete - MotoArts Decals and Signs

'71 Sportsroof 351C-4V/4-speed - FINALLY under construction - no, wait, on hold again...

'90 Mustang 7-Up 5.0 ragtop, rolling beater - SOLD

'66 Sunbeam Tiger Mk.IA, survivor

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Hi Mike. ::welcome:: from Luxembourg, Europe.

That sounds very interesting. Great story. Can't wait to see what you got there.

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Welcome from Madison WI

Great story..... please keep us posted.

 

1971 M-code Mach 1

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1971 M-Code Mach 1 w/Ram Air, 408 stroker, 285/291 0.558" roller cam, Blue Thunder intake, TKO600, Hooker headers with electric cut-offs, FiTech EFI w/ RobBMC PowerSurge pump

Strange center section with Truetrac, 3.5 gear and 31 spline axles, 4-wheel disc brakes

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Welcome from Denmark northern part of Europe [WINKING FACE] Regards Lars DK73

 

So I'm a proud owner of one Mach 1 73! Regards Lars DK73 😎

So I'm a proud owner of one Mach 1 73! Regards Lars DK73:whistling:

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Welcome from Iowa

73 Grande H Code. Headman long tube headers, T-5 Transmission, 3.70 Traclok, Lowered 1" all around, Aussie 2v heads w/ 2.19 intake, 1.71 exhaust, screw in studs, full roller cam 608/612 lift 280/281 duration LSA 112, Quick Fuel 750 CFM double pumper, AirGap intake.

 

- Jason

 

 

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Welcome from Phoenix! I am very curious as to what you find out as well. Please update everyone in a separate post so I don't miss it. (I don't go back and read all of the introduction threads...)

'Mike'

73 Convertible - 351C/4V CC heads/4bolt/forged flat tops/comp 270/rhodes/mallory unilite/tri-power/hookers/glasspacks/c6/3.50 limited slip/Gear Vendors/Global West sub frames, strut rods and shelby style traction bars/ Rear sway bar/tilt steering (not original)

 

Pics of modifications included in: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-1973-convertible--3335]My Garage[/button]

 

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Welcome to the forum.

You stated Body in White. That is a factory term for what goes to the paint line. Usually the race cars were "Sealer Delete" also so there should be no seam sealer or undercoat sprayed anywhere. That gave the racer the ability to MIG weld the seams to make them stronger and not contend with the sealer. They were also refereed to as a "Glider" since there was no drive train.

Our local Ford dealer here use to get the bodies for Banjo Matthews, Old School NASCAR builder. They would come in a crate, wish I had pictures from back then. Bud Moore was also just 50 miles away. I was thinking they had a special DSO code one of the six digit kind that tells the DSO ordered from with first two digits and the last 4 digits were what the special order was for. I am told by Ford that those records have been destroyed and not even Marti has them. Sad since I have a Special order 73 that I cannot document.

Keep us informed on your great find a NOS Body in White.

David

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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Mike -

 

Thanks for the kind words - you have a rare car and I hope it turns out to be what you think it might be.

 

You started a conversation with my son about my stuff and what they would have to deal with when the time comes. Thank you for that. We have now sold the last of the complete engines and have 2 different offers for the rest of the parts. Which ever one comes up a bit more will get it all.

 

We have sorted out all of the 71 - 73 parts and the 2 convertibles you saw in the upper shop will be the last cars that I will try to see finished. I am debating just sending them to a professional and having them done this spring. My son is fine with that idea.

 

It is odd to see so much floor in lower shop - have not seen the floor for many years.

 

Here are some updates:

 

The Boss 9 sold outright for not to much more than you got for me - that was a surprise. If he does the same on the others he probably wont even cover his shipping cost.

 

The 427 - 428 - 429 buyer is a hoarder and these parts will never get used or seen again.

 

The SOHC stuff is going to get sold as a package this summer at one of the big car auctions - I told him he will loose his ass by doing this.

 

Shop is pretty much empty now. The loose parts are on pallets waiting for the last buyer to step up. Should be done by March.

 

So what did you find inside the 351?

 

- Paul of MO

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Welcome from Oklahoma. Post up some pics of your car when you can.

 

Very interesting story about your car! It would be cool if it turns out to be a body-in-white! But I know a guy (local) that raced Pro Stock back in the early 70's. He raced for the Polaris Drag Team based out of Milan, Michigan. The 71 was Boss 429 powered. It was purchased and stripped at a Ford dealer and made into a race car. I have a few pics.

 

http://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-71-mach-drag-racing-stories-and-others?page=2

 

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Ray

1971 Boss 351  

1972 Q code 4 speed convertible 

1971 Mustang Sportsroof  351-2V FMX 

1971 Hardtop (parts car)

1973 Mach 1 (parts car)

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Keep us informed on your great find a NOS Body in White.

David

 

It is definitely a Ford body in white. We have the Ford shipping reciept and the number is in the sequence with known cars shipped in 1970. It has been stitch welded every 4 inches on every seam and has a full cage, suspension and motor plates. It seems like this car just was lost in the shuffle between teams and builders and ford politics. I was told that Ed Terry may have been building a car when ford gave him a turn key Maverick built by Holman and Moody. No one left around remembers what that car was or how far along he had got. Mr. Paul thinks this is probably his car based on the dates and the car.

 

Mike

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Mike -

 

So what did you find inside the 351?

 

- Paul of MO

 

I'll post up here - Hope you don't mind.

 

Did not expect 2 ford and 6 oldsmobile rods inside. Number 1 journals are stock stroke and the the others are not even close. Guessing tech inspectors checked the easiest hole to get to?

 

The port plates on the heads have some sort of asbestos gasket between them that has come apart. The compresion ratio calculated to 14 to 1 with the heads on it and was only 12 to 1 with the other heads you gave me.

 

Did you cast the tunnel ram yourself? It says Weiand on it and has a number on it but it is not that intake and it looks a little rough. We bought one just to compair what you did to it and it is not the same intake. Yours is more like a sheet metal intake inside with straight shot runners and no curves or radius's. What was the other tops for? does not fit holly.

 

The valves are insanely light - not even sure what they are made of. We nearly killed us taking them apart with well over 200 pounds of seat preasure closed. Plus the odd overlapping keepers and 2 part retainers had us confused. The stem diameter is much larger than a stock valve but they have the ford logo on them.

 

The inside of the distributor was coroded but had 4 little plastic and brass gears and a lever instead of points. The 2 gears rotate the brass parts make contact for a certain period of time but do not have to open or close just rotate. Each pair handles one half of the spark plugs. the whole distributor rotates for the advance. What looked like the manual tach drive actually moves the distrib and is controlled by the throttle cable or lever off of the carbs not sure we did not get carbs with it.

 

The cam specs were unexpectedly tame - just over .7 on both the intake and exhaust. we have not put iton a wheel to see the centeline and durations yet.

 

It looks like the valve covers and back of the block are plumbed for a electric vacume pump? The tubes go down to a bracket with nothing in it.

 

The rod caps have very fat stubby rod bolts and oversized nuts with some sort of epoxy on the threads. We got them apart and found that the rod bolt hole was sleaved and the clearance between the bolt and the sleave was very tight. To put them back together we are going to have to press the rod cap onto the sleave and then press the rod bolt into the sleave from above and then install the nuts all while the crank is in the block. Hints?

 

The rest is just sweet - everything nicely rounded off and polished. Lots of massaged bits and peices here and there. Holes opened up and chamfered with others welded up or plugged. Has an internal oil line in the lifter valley for the mains fed directly from the oil pump.

 

Everything else looks rreally nice for setting for so long. We will wait to hear from Mr. Paul before we put it back together.

 

Mike.

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Mike -

 

I do not know about the rods - things get mixed up ya know. We needed to make a small block that could run with a big block and needed cubic inches. Found cubic inches with out the weight penalty. It was never ran so it never got caught - others did the same thing and did get caught. They are Chrysler rods not Oldsmobile.

 

There were ways back then to get 110 to 115 octane or more and burn cold enough to run 14 to 1 without blowing up an engine. It was never ran so it never got caught - others did the same thing and did get caught or blew up.

 

We made a tunnel ram that would work at 9,000 rpm and up. Had it cast with the name and part number that others were using just to confuse people. The other top is for a pair of Kendig box carbs.

 

The valves are hollow Ford 427's titanium 85 gram blanks that we re-sized and heat and cold cycled for strength - we baked them in an oven for days and then stored them in liquid nitrogen for days to eliminate any stress risers. Never had a valve fail.

 

We bought that distributor from its builder and he made it just for us. It was stable to 14,000 rpm - we had dual high voltage coils set up to look like one. The distributor was at full advance at 3,000 rpm. The cable moved with carb linkage. I am certain that it was the only one ever made. It was also used 8mm wires that we had marked with 6mm labels.

 

The rod caps were made to stay on in excess of 12,000 rpm and be light enough to spin to 12,000 rpm. We had a fixture to press the cap onto the sleeves and then to press the rod bolt into the cap. It was an interference fit with the sleeve. The bolts were rolled not cut and the rod nuts were a special moly that was machined tight for the threads and had to be put on heated. No real hints other than to use other rods now that you have those apart. You will want to change out the pistons anyway for a more normally placed top ring. The pistons in it have almost no top ring land.

 

We experimented with pulling a vacuum in the block and it did create HP - it also caused the oil to foam along with other issues. This was going to be a real world test of this concept. The mesh screen in the oil pan is not a windage tray but is there to stop the oil from filling with tiny bubbles in the low pressure caused by the pump. It seemed to work on the dyno - about 65 more hp with the pump on than with it off.

 

There is nothing between the plates and the head other than epoxy. I do not know what you are referring to.

 

We were looking to get 900 hp at 10,000 rpm and came every close to it on the dyno using special gasses and fuel. We got 750 hp from the engine as you have it now at 9500 rpm using 2 650 Doms.

 

I have pictures of it being built in my Florida shop but can not seem to find them but I have several other places still to look.

 

Thanks for refreshing these memories for me.

 

- Paul of MO

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Keep it going guys.... these are awesome stories to read.

 

1971 M-code Mach 1

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1971 M-Code Mach 1 w/Ram Air, 408 stroker, 285/291 0.558" roller cam, Blue Thunder intake, TKO600, Hooker headers with electric cut-offs, FiTech EFI w/ RobBMC PowerSurge pump

Strange center section with Truetrac, 3.5 gear and 31 spline axles, 4-wheel disc brakes

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