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How high is your ceiling?

 

Looks like 12' to me. Might be 14', but the lift posts I believe are 6', and the ceiling 'looks' like it's twice the height of the lift posts.

 

Just a WAG. :chin:

Eric

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You are limited in the overhead sounds like. I did a lot of research on lifts and the foreign made, most of them, are rated for more than they can actually do. There are videos of them placing steel plates on the lifts and them folding up when it is the advertised capacity. There are lots of videos on the net showing accidents.

I am probably going with a 2 post lift just for ability to get to everything better. Yes you can add extras so you can take the tires off and do stuff but just not as easy to get to things.

Talked with people that use them every day and they say no to 4 post unless you want to stack store cars and you can get the really cheap ones for that.

On the floor mount. They all say you can drill and use drive in concrete bolts. I am not. I am going to do a two stage pour on the garage and when they put the J bolts in for the building uprights they will also put in J bolts with welded re-bar so there is no way they can pull out. Too many videos out there of units folding, bolts pulling out and falling. Not something someone told me but there are videos online.

I have lost the name in my mind of the company in Texas that actually builds their lifts in the U.S. I need to go back in my records and look that up and add to the post. The foreign lifts are made from much less strength steel. Hot rolled steel can vary in yield strength from 20,000 to 100,000 lbs. so there can be huge differences even when they use the same thickness.

I know we all want the least cost we can get but you are going to be under there and your baby will be on it. How the electrical or hydraulics are built can be cheap also. Find a garage that has been using what you are looking at and go talk to someone that has put them to the test. Go look at some of the horror videos online. Some are in big car dealers. The actual testing of lifts are on there and the arms twist and fail when they put the advertised weight on them.

I worked in China for 16 months in a shop and I know how they like to use the minimum they can get by with, bolts, cables, hoses, valves, materials, welding, wiring, motors. They will use the minimum every time not much safety margin if any. Heck our welder did not wear a helmet. I ask one of the guys that could speak English to ask him if his eyes did not hurt and he said no. He would weld 8 hours a day building tables, racks and die stands and only had a piece of cardboard with a hole to look through. The cardboard kept the spatter off his face.

I don't trust them either, lol.

David

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I'm not going to go cheap, the only real question for me is can I fit it in the garage and get full use out of it. If not I'll wait until I have better space to work with.

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I'm not going to go cheap, the only real question for me is can I fit it in the garage and get full use out of it. If not I'll wait until I have better space to work with.

 

For now you could do what I had for years. My dad dug a pit and laid concrete blocks. You could pull over the pit when you need to work on something under the car and we had plywood cover when not in use. You still have to jack the car if you have 4 post so why not go down and no issue with the ceiling height. Cost is very cheap for the blocks and some concrete for the floor. Just need to be where there are no water issues. He dug mine where I sat on a work roll around instead of standing. He felt sorry for me changing clutches, transmissions and driveshafts with the car sitting on concrete blocks. It never broke and no oil or power, old school.

Here is a link to info to help make a better decision. http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Which-Lift-Should-I-Buy-2-Post-or-4-Post

Lots of reasons here that I decided to go with 2 post. I never could understand why you would lift the car and then still have to jack the car up to work on it. It looks like storage gain is biggest reason for 4 post. I know several people that actually store their car on jack stands to take the weight off the springs and tires to prevent flat spots and save the springs. A 4 post does nothing for that but a two post would work. If you are going to work on the car the 2 post is the only way in my opinion. You can lift the car to put on a rotisserie or take off rotisserie, no way on four post. If you are doing floor pan work you can lift the jig you have the frame sitting on to get under the car by lifting the jig and car. No way on 4 post. Just way more versatile.

Here is video of them testing one of the Chinese lifts per the U.S. requirements and it totally falls apart. Bends, welds break because of poor design making stress points. When it is tested to the requirements you will see what happens.

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/When-Is-A-10-000-LB-Lift-Not-A-10-000-LB-Lift

If you are going to pick the car up and look at it and clean it 4 post might be ok but the runways are in the way all the time so working on it sucks.

I am just too practical I guess.

David

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David

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Well, I think most stuff is made offshore, we all know that. The key is to find a final product that utilizes a majority of North American made parts and certification of same once fully assembled. I have also seen and revewed many of these videos David refers to and it was for this reason I chose to stay away from two and four posts knowing that I could not chance the securing of same in my present garage situation.

 

I previously worked for Underwriters Laboratories ULI (ULC in Canada) and visited many mfrs ensuring their products met applicable UL Standards from mechanical to electrical (you would not believe how some will try to cut corners...). I put this experience to use when i went looking for a lift.

 

I personally am very aware of offshore made stuff and am very very wary of purchasing same. In the end, strictly from a scissor lift perspective, the BendPak checked off the majority of the "well put together" scissor lift requirements. There is one mfr in upstate NY (can't recall the name at the moment) that makes a scissor lift that might top the Bendpak but the price was double the cost as well. I came close to buying, but the Bendpak swayed me strictly for the purchase price differential and similar build quality. Even still, I could have bought cheaper but the quality was less then impressive. Not a good combination if you have a car in the air.

 

I am also in full agreement with David, be very wary of lifts that are not fully certified to our expectations here in North America. As for the type of steel and the welding of same, is something that must be looked at personally when buying these pieces as well.

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My lift looks very well made with good welds. I wont feel comfortable lifting a 6000 lbs car but with the mustang i think there is a safe margin of error. But..... just in case, thats why i place those jack stands at the cross of the scissors. If all fails that could save my life.

The access to the tunnel is limited, but at least there is room to get through the beams. Here are some pictures from below. The front is completely uncovered up to the back of the transmission. You just have to step around the hydraulic cylinders.

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I have been toying with the idea of adding a 4 post lift to my garage.

 

I worry that my space is just too tight.

 

I have a Bendpak four post. About 8 years ago I drew up plans and built a home addition which involved rebuilding the garage and new space above it. The design was to accommodate the lift mostly as a storage lift. I've used it to change exhaust, swap a clutch, and some other undercar work, but mostly it is for storage. So far the Bendpak has been great, but I would get a higher lift version if I could do it over. I was worried about hitting the car on the 13' 6" ceiling, but even with a Ford Explorer on the lift it wasn't even close. Another 12" of lift height would have been great.

 

For the garage door, mine goes straight up then curves at the high ceiling. This allows me to open the garage door even with a car on it. I wouldn't, and couldn't, have it any other way since it is primarily used as a storage lift, there is always a car on it.

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I bought one a few months ago. It is a nine ton four post that also has a jack to lift either end off of the tires if needed. Mine is from The Lift Superstore that has a distributor in nearby San Antonio. I wanted key components USA made and this they offer. The lift was $2800 with delivery and install $600. It includes three sliding/removable drain pans and a stout sliding "pan" that would easily hold a tranny. I swapped some truck tires for the jack ($700 to purchase). I am fortunate to have a large tall garage so no issues there. So far I am more than pleased.

 

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The jack.

 

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How high is your ceiling?

 

Ceiling is 14' 8" and bottom of lift fully up as shown is 6' 4" from grade. Mine also is not bolted down and has roller assemblies for each post that allow it to be easily relocated if desired.

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I was thinking your ceiling was higher than 12'. Mine is almost 12 and I have 6 panels on my garage door. You appear to have 8:) So while I probably couldn't clear an SUV and still be under my door I think I two mustangs stacked will fit;)

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Edited: sorry, posted in the wrong thread - this post can be deleted.

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1971 M-Code Mach 1 w/Ram Air, 408 stroker, 285/291 0.558" roller cam, Blue Thunder intake, TKO600, Hooker headers with electric cut-offs, FiTech EFI w/ RobBMC PowerSurge pump

Strange center section with Truetrac, 3.5 gear and 31 spline axles, 4-wheel disc brakes

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Tony reminded me I should post here. I got one, here it is installed:) This post helped me immensely in figuring out how high my interior ceiling needed to be:):)

 

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After alot of homework I chose bendpak. Easy to install and the safety features are really good. They were on sale through summit racing.

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After alot of homework I chose bendpak. Easy to install and the safety features are really good. They were on sale through summit racing.

WTF you need to spend money on bigger garage, lol. That is the China syndrome go up since you cannot got out.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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After alot of homework I chose bendpak. Easy to install and the safety features are really good. They were on sale through summit racing.

WTF you need to spend money on bigger garage, lol. That is the China syndrome go up since you cannot got out.

 

lollerz I just finished this garage, 2000 SF. I have 8 mustangs, I know you feel my pain:D

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I take my addiction to the Henry Ford clinic.lollerz

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