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Hallo

 

In order to bring my retoration (http://www.mustang-inside.de/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4198&start=210) to an end, I need following parts:

 

2 shoulder belts - driver an passenger side (just the shoulder belt - I do have the hip belts with the retractor)

 

1 rear seat belt (just the retractable part - driver side)

 

 

To make it a bit more challenging - color green and deluxe version.

 

In worst case I would also take a complete deluxe seat belt set in black...

 

 

Thanks in advance for all offers

Wolfgang

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My 1971 Grande has no seatbelts and deluxe interior so pictures would be very helpful to me too. Also whether seatbelts came color coded would be very helpful.

Steve

1971 Grande

 

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Pretty sure green interior got green belts. Car in picture had them if I remember correct. Only time this is not true is with white interior you got black belts, black console, black carpet on the lover door panels and black dash pad.

Remember the recorded interview with a Ford assembly line worker. He had like 1 1/2 min. to pull the right belts, install them and plug in on Pinto line. I am sure same for mustang. He saw a pink pinto coming and figured black belts but they were not seems like it was a green interior on a pink car. The recording is somewhere on the site. He said sometimes he just threw them in the floor if wrong color because he didn't have time to go get the right one. The guy that put the spare tire and jack instruction sticker in the trunk had the same amount of time to do pretty much nothing. I bet Ray can tell us where the recording is.

I am sure several here have green interiors that can fill in the blanks. So much stuff got changed without the build sheet hard to say.

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Seatbelts were colored coded to the interior. As David said the white interiors got black belts. So your green interior defiantly got green belts. The shoulder harness belts were considered part of the seat belt assembly, so they were never sold separately or had a number other than for the assembly. Your 1972 body style 63 would have used D2ZZ-65611A72-G (before 12/1/71) D2ZZ-65611A72-Q (from 12/1/71). Since you only need parts of the belts and not a complete set maybe Don (OMS) or Mike at Motor City Mustang can help you. If no one can come up with any good used ones you may end up using one of our on site venders for some new ones. Good luck with your search!

Steve

 

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!

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I will check this weekend on which style of green seatbelts I have and report back here.

 

Seatbelts were colored coded to the interior. As David said the white interiors got black belts. So your green interior defiantly got green belts. The shoulder harness belts were considered part of the seat belt assembly, so they were never sold separately or had a number other than for the assembly. Your 1972 body style 63 would have used D2ZZ-65611A72-G (before 12/1/71) D2ZZ-65611A72-Q (from 12/1/71). Since you only need parts of the belts and not a complete set maybe Don (OMS) or Mike at Motor City Mustang can help you. If no one can come up with any good used ones you may end up using one of our on site venders for some new ones. Good luck with your search!

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Pretty sure green interior got green belts. Car in picture had them if I remember correct. Only time this is not true is with white interior you got black belts, black console, black carpet on the lover door panels and black dash pad.

Remember the recorded interview with a Ford assembly line worker. He had like 1 1/2 min. to pull the right belts, install them and plug in on Pinto line. I am sure same for mustang. He saw a pink pinto coming and figured black belts but they were not seems like it was a green interior on a pink car. The recording is somewhere on the site. He said sometimes he just threw them in the floor if wrong color because he didn't have time to go get the right one. The guy that put the spare tire and jack instruction sticker in the trunk had the same amount of time to do pretty much nothing. I bet Ray can tell us where the recording is.

I am sure several here have green interiors that can fill in the blanks. So much stuff got changed without the build sheet hard to say.

 

See recently bumped thread titled "Early 70's Ford Production".

 

Ray

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Seatbelts were colored coded to the interior. As David said the white interiors got black belts. So your green interior defiantly got green belts. The shoulder harness belts were considered part of the seat belt assembly, so they were never sold separately or had a number other than for the assembly. Your 1972 body style 63 would have used D2ZZ-65611A72-G (before 12/1/71) D2ZZ-65611A72-Q (from 12/1/71). Since you only need parts of the belts and not a complete set maybe Don (OMS) or Mike at Motor City Mustang can help you. If no one can come up with any good used ones you may end up using one of our on site venders for some new ones. Good luck with your search!

 

Steve, you sure about all having color keyed belts

I know Grande's did and I think cars ordered with deluxe belts diid too.

I've had several red interior cars with black belts.

I have a 72 Q code convertible with "white belts" they are not white, more of a off white / tan color

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Seatbelts were colored coded to the interior. As David said the white interiors got black belts. So your green interior defiantly got green belts. The shoulder harness belts were considered part of the seat belt assembly, so they were never sold separately or had a number other than for the assembly. Your 1972 body style 63 would have used D2ZZ-65611A72-G (before 12/1/71) D2ZZ-65611A72-Q (from 12/1/71). Since you only need parts of the belts and not a complete set maybe Don (OMS) or Mike at Motor City Mustang can help you. If no one can come up with any good used ones you may end up using one of our on site venders for some new ones. Good luck with your search!

 

Steve, you sure about all having color keyed belts

I know Grandé's did and I think cars ordered with deluxe belts diid too.

I've had several red interior cars with black belts.

I have a 72 Q code convertible with "white belts" they are not white, more of a off white / tan color

 

 

 

Don, I've learned at this stage of life that nothing is 100% on these cars. When we ordered belts for these cars we used the trim code to ID the interior color and to order belts of the corresponding color. We were told by our Dealer Services Unit in Detroit (our answer cats and engineers) to order belts by interior color. If that wouldn't work, "Stick black in 'em" was their response! Lol

My 71 5A black interior Mach1 has black belts, my 71 5E vermillion has red belts. I had three parts cars. 73 blue glow, white interior had black belts, 72 white, blue interior, blue belts, 72 gold glow, ginger interior, ginger belts. The verts were listed separately and show "Parchment" for the color you were referring to instead of white.

I'll put it this way. These cars were supposed to have color matched belts. Did they all leave the plant that way? Probably not. After all, how much did that freshely lit joint in the ash tray distract you when the car came to your station for seat belts!! :whistling:

Steve

 

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!

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Hit the garage today and checked out the two green parts cars that I have. Both had black seat belts instead of green. I had a white car with a green interior a couple of years ago that had green seatbelts, but those have been sold a while ago.

 

I will check this weekend on which style of green seatbelts I have and report back here.

 

Seatbelts were colored coded to the interior. As David said the white interiors got black belts. So your green interior defiantly got green belts. The shoulder harness belts were considered part of the seat belt assembly, so they were never sold separately or had a number other than for the assembly. Your 1972 body style 63 would have used D2ZZ-65611A72-G (before 12/1/71) D2ZZ-65611A72-Q (from 12/1/71). Since you only need parts of the belts and not a complete set maybe Don (OMS) or Mike at Motor City Mustang can help you. If no one can come up with any good used ones you may end up using one of our on site venders for some new ones. Good luck with your search!

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Thanks from MotorCity Mustang!

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Hi guys

 

Thanks for all the Information about seat belts. As I wrote in my first thread, my interior and the seat belts where green.

 

But back to the topic, does anyone of you have the parts I am looking for?

 

Wolfgang [/i]

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Wolfgang, if no one here has any useable green belts maybe you could get yours restored. Snake oyl is a company I used when we needed some belts repaired (restored) for a 67 Mustang GT our dealer owner was having restored in our body shop. http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/mm5/merchant.mvc

Another choice would be the Scott Drake offerings. Don (OMS) and CJ Pony parts are both site member/Venders here. I would contact them to get an honest evaluation of these belts and availability. http://www.cjponyparts.com/scott-drake-seat-belt-with-push-button-1965-1973/p/SBP-V/

Steve

 

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!

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Wolfgang, if no one here has any useable green belts maybe you could get yours restored. Snake oyl is a company I used when we needed some belts repaired (restored) for a 67 Mustang GT our dealer owner was having restored in our body shop. http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/mm5/merchant.mvc

Another choice would be the Scott Drake offerings. Don (OMS) and CJ Pony parts are both site member/Venders here. I would contact them to get an honest evaluation of these belts and availability. http://www.cjponyparts.com/scott-drake-seat-belt-with-push-button-1965-1973/p/SBP-V/

 

That ssnake oyl company looks like a quality resto business. The one thing i would be interested in too is the Battery diaper. They say the material used will neutralise the acid to prevent the acid eating through the paint or worse case scenario acid eating right through the battery tray and 80% of battery apron which is what happened to the previous owner of the car i purchased.

 

http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Ssnake-Oyl&Product_Code=BD&Category_Code=VP

Steve

1971 Grande

 

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They've been in business since 1980 and I've seen their advertisements in several Mustang magazines. Even though I told my boss the belts were not available from Ford, he still thought I had found some from Ford. That's how good they looked. They even replaced the safety certification labels with the proper date coded ones.

The battery diaper sounds like a good ideal. With sealed maintenance free batteries and electronic voltage regulators the battery acid leakage seems to not be the problem it was years ago. But at $5.95 that is cheap insurance considering the cost of replacing a front fender apron!

Steve

 

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!

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I got in contact with a well known part dealer who might be capable to provide the desired parts. If not I will go with modern 3 point seat belts in black Color. They meet todays safty standards and are easy to get. The only thing which disturbs me on them, is the fact, that most belts are manufactured in a way that they are always visible on the side windows.

 

Original shoulder belts, when not in use, ran along the roofline.

An idea would be to get belts like these:

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To avoid any esthetic losses, I would then mount the retractor to the roof panel. The lap seat belt would be static and the shoulder belt retractable. But for now thats just an idea.

 

Wolfgang

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Seatbelts were colored coded to the interior. As David said the white interiors got black belts. So your green interior defiantly got green belts. The shoulder harness belts were considered part of the seat belt assembly, so they were never sold separately or had a number other than for the assembly. Your 1972 body style 63 would have used D2ZZ-65611A72-G (before 12/1/71) D2ZZ-65611A72-Q (from 12/1/71). Since you only need parts of the belts and not a complete set maybe Don (OMS) or Mike at Motor City Mustang can help you. If no one can come up with any good used ones you may end up using one of our on site venders for some new ones. Good luck with your search!

 

Steve, you sure about all having color keyed belts

I know Grandé's did and I think cars ordered with deluxe belts diid too.

I've had several red interior cars with black belts.

I have a 72 Q code convertible with "white belts" they are not white, more of a off white / tan color

 

 

 

Interesting.... My current '71 vert project has these similar whitish tan belts. I had thought that they had faded over the years from either being originally white or black. My interior was that rough that I could not determine from a quick look before bagging everything up and storing, the actual colour. I knew as the restoration progressed I would have to research these belts further. I honestly thought that like the rest of the interior, my original belts were just "filthy", which they are in any case... I take it that your '72 Q Code has the standard interior?

 

I'd really like to see this colour in a more presentable condition... Thanks for posting.

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Pastel, the color belts in your vert, Ford called Parchment. The black belts were probably more commonly found in the standard interior Mustangs, though I have seen color matching belts in standard cars. I remember ordering some color coded belts for some 72 and 73 standard cars where the retractor had quit working. 45 years later and untold numerous changes to these cars and things get harder to verify.

If you check out the Snake oyl site under the webbing listing. you see they along with other seat belt sites refer to the color now as #8000 Ivory. It's the same webbing they use in the belt restoration process. http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Ssnake-Oyl&Product_Code=BWB&Category_Code=SB_WEBBING

Steve

 

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!

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I don't want to hijack this thread but would add the following.

I would dare say that most of our belts would not hold up during a crash due to deterioration from UV. Just like the seats, dash and door panels the nylon in the belts does break down. Much quicker in the south and hot areas. Racing seat belts have a life. Tag sewn on the belt has mfg date and I cannot remember if it is 10 years you have to change.

I had been looking for new replacement belt material but I have not seen anyone that has the same pattern as our cars. The repo belts have a different pattern. Like everything else I have a commercial upholstery sewing machine and could sew them to the old buckles and retractors if I could find the right material. Anyone know of a supplier with correct pattern?

If you cannot find someone to get the originals from contact me I can get them and send to you. I do not know the cost but can find out. Mustang junk yard where I took picture early on in the thread.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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David is correct on the "Life" on seat belt webbing. Normal wear and tear, UV damage, liquids (oil, drinks, lots of whatever, etc) get into the webbing and weaken it. Our dealer sponsored a 97 style T-Bird at a local NASCAR sanctioned track, and all the safety harnesses, fire suit/underwear etc had expiration dates on the sewn on labels. And they were checked every time the car went through tech inspection. So its a good ideal to check your belts whether you have a concours level show queen or a daily driver. Most new cars have pre tensioners in the belts that require the belt to be replaced after an accident. On cars like ours the belts were probably not replaced after an accident unless there was visible damage to the belt. The centrifugal force on the webbing and retractor mechanisms and hardware during an accident is enormous.

Steve

 

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!

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