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There is a parts place in my state that I order from rarely. Recently I order a decal (sorry Don for cheating) from them because it was just before a car show. Shipping was 2x the cost of the decal and they're only 2 hours from my house.

 

It didn't cost that much to ship and I won't be using them again.

 

 

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Shipping from USA to Canada is crazy! And there is no reason for it! Ups charges stupid brokerage fees and there is no way around it; and they don't tell you what these charges are till they r at your door holding your parts hostage. That is why I always get my stuff sent to cbiusa; it's a warehouse just over the border in Niagara Falls. Also if parts company's (or eBay sellers) will ship usps that is way better. I find usps (United States postal service) just as fast and I have yet to get duty charges.

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I hardly every use UPS or Fed X to ship anything due to costs. I use the USPS much better rate and I do not do the priority mail just snail mail and has worked out great. I sell on eBay and have mailed quarter panels for 1950 ford, consoles for 71-73 mustang, two door panels from N.C. to Utah for 71-73 mustang and lots of other odds and ends. Talk to your parts guy and see if they won't use United States Postal Service. You can do the export paper work online also with them. I have sent stuff to Africa with no issues. I have also received items straight from China that came in the mail again no issues and I paid no duties.

I weigh my package and go online and pay for the postage and print the postage and labels and take to post office and it has always worked. There are limits for sure but I don't ship heads or engine blocks.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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O yes... i can only dream about 13% taxes and $15 handling.

 

For Europe is this 21% taxes and €15 handling (21% taxes over the total cost on parts + US shipping service to Europe).

 

Think also about shipping cost for the heavy or big pieces like sheet metal or calipers or...

 

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So, I am waiting for parts to be delivered so I can complete the rebuild of my A/C and heater core box, to get this mounted back on the interior firewall. Dropped another $3K on parts (the majority of this expense was for replacement AC parts). I am having this order delivered to a Buffalo warehouse, drive over and pick them up, pretty easy. "Only" costs me the additional Canadian 13% taxes to bring back across the border...

 

On the other hand, went through one of the major Mustang part supplier catalogues and picked up a few odds and ends, total $275. These were delivered to my door yesterday and the driver confirms that this $275 odds and end order will cost me an additional $131 in shipping and cross border fees. Hand him my Visa # and just shake my head in disgust... These major delivery company's really sticks it to us when we order something out of the USA. Two small boxes cost me $85 UPS shipping charges, $15 "handling" fee... for a three hour drive to my place... I haven't been keeping a tally of these additional costs when getting parts for my restoration, but boy, I just despise paying these costs. I don't mind the part suppliers costs for the actual parts, just the rip off shipping costs when having to use a ground delivery company... Hope my AC parts come soon, so I don't have time to rant like this... Expensive to restore the old girl... Carry on...

 

NPD has a warehouse in the Detroit area. Since your doing a large project it might be worth a road trip to pick up large parts if they have what you need. The warehouse is of off interstate 275 and their open on weekends.

 

John J

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O yes... i can only dream about 13% taxes and $15 handling.

 

For Europe is this 21% taxes and €15 handling.

Think also about shipping cost for the heavy or big pieces like sheet metal or calipers or...

 

:huh: :@ :huh:

 

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So, I am waiting for parts to be delivered so I can complete the rebuild of my A/C and heater core box, to get this mounted back on the interior firewall. Dropped another $3K on parts (the majority of this expense was for replacement AC parts). I am having this order delivered to a Buffalo warehouse, drive over and pick them up, pretty easy. "Only" costs me the additional Canadian 13% taxes to bring back across the border...

 

On the other hand, went through one of the major Mustang part supplier catalogues and picked up a few odds and ends, total $275. These were delivered to my door yesterday and the driver confirms that this $275 odds and end order will cost me an additional $131 in shipping and cross border fees. Hand him my Visa # and just shake my head in disgust... These major delivery company's really sticks it to us when we order something out of the USA. Two small boxes cost me $85 UPS shipping charges, $15 "handling" fee... for a three hour drive to my place... I haven't been keeping a tally of these additional costs when getting parts for my restoration, but boy, I just despise paying these costs. I don't mind the part suppliers costs for the actual parts, just the rip off shipping costs when having to use a ground delivery company... Hope my AC parts come soon, so I don't have time to rant like this... Expensive to restore the old girl... Carry on...

 

NPD has a warehouse in the Detroit area. Since your doing a large project it might be worth a road trip to pick up large parts if they have what you need. The warehouse is of off interstate 275 and their open on weekends.

 

John J

 

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I can fully understand the costs involved. Shipping to UK sucks. Then 30% is added on to parts AND shipping costs. When i see the car finished it will be worth every penny.

Steve

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So, I am waiting for parts to be delivered so I can complete the rebuild of my A/C and heater core box, to get this mounted back on the interior firewall. Hope my AC parts come soon

 

How much to refurb the A/C?

If memory serves me right your going concours?

Did you replace like for like, Selectaire?

Once i get roadworthy i think thats got to be one of my first jobs

Steve

1971 Grande

 

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So, I am waiting for parts to be delivered so I can complete the rebuild of my A/C and heater core box, to get this mounted back on the interior firewall. Hope my AC parts come soon

 

How much to refurb the A/C?

If memory serves me right your going concours?

Did you replace like for like, Selectaire?

Once i get roadworthy i think thats got to be one of my first jobs

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Shipping from USA to Canada is crazy! And there is no reason for it! Ups charges stupid brokerage fees and there is no way around it; and they don't tell you what these charges are till they r at your door holding your parts hostage. That is why I always get my stuff sent to cbiusa; it's a warehouse just over the border in Niagara Falls. Also if parts company's (or eBay sellers) will ship usps that is way better. I find usps (United States postal service) just as fast and I have yet to get duty charges.

 

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So, I am waiting for parts to be delivered so I can complete the rebuild of my A/C and heater core box, to get this mounted back on the interior firewall. Hope my AC parts come soon

 

How much to refurb the A/C?

If memory serves me right your going concours?

Did you replace like for like, Selectaire?

Once i get roadworthy i think thats got to be one of my first jobs

 

All parts are through Classic Air out of Florida. I have not addressed the compressor yet, want to look at mine closer and see if I can change seals etc. Everything else in the engine compartment including the two belt pulleys for the AC were purchased new. Inside the car, new evaporator and heater coil. New gasket kit and I restored/repaired the heater/AC box myself, including a new drain nipple that had broken off. After cleaning my AC box assembly, it was actually in really good shape, compared to some I see out there. All my vacuum actuators appear to be holding vacuum, there may be a couple other items I need, we'll see. I knew the AC was going to be both a PIA and expensive to refurbish, but what can you do... I am looking to keep it original in appearance and will switch over to 134A.

 

I am doing a pretty high level restoration, following MCA where I feel like it... Some of those rules are vague at best and there are too many opinions on how these cars came from the factory, so you have to do what you feel is best based on the guidelines and improvise elsewhere.

 

I can state that every single piece of this car required refurbishment or replacement... The AZ desert and 15+ years stored in a barn were tough on her, but she took it and was still driving, just barely; when I got the car last September... She has come a long way in 11 months. You can see the prices on all the AC components on the larger Vendor sites, there are a couple vendors frequenting this board that may be able to help you when the time comes. If I wasn't trying to stay original, I would have certainly switched over to one of the aftermarket set ups, especially the compressor. Cheers

 

Mine came from Phoenix AZ. I am glad it did. Body is totaly rust free and to me thats more important than a rusted box with good interior.

Steve

1971 Grande

 

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It takes a certain dedication to the hobby to do a restoration outside of the US. I applaud all of our international members for their effort and tolerance for the additional expense. Maybe the upside is the great fun you have showing off your loud American muscle car amongst all of those 4 & 6 cyl local cars.

BKDunha

72 Mach 1 H-Code (Concourse driven restoration)

67 S-Code Factory GT with 4-Spd

68 Mercury Cyclone (Pro-Street project)

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You international guys need to buddy up with someone so you get all your shipments as gifts, not duty. It works have done it in the past with no issues. Shipments between individual persons not companies does not raise eyebrows.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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You international guys need to buddy up with someone so you get all your shipments as gifts, not duty. It works have done it in the past with no issues. Shipments between individual persons not companies does not raise eyebrows.

Sounds perfect. And i think used parts should be easier to bypass duties as gifts. ::thumb::

Steve

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Last time I used a company called www.freightquote.com and had an excellent experience.

Bought a rebuilt Cleveland long block DAOE from Don of OMS.

Estimated weight was 650#. Included door to door (2500 miles) shipping plus insurance and

cost a total of $315.

 

mike

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I can fully understand the costs involved. Shipping to UK sucks. Then 30% is added on to parts AND shipping costs. When i see the car finished it will be worth every penny.

Same here in Finland. But everything under 22€ is tax free...

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I agree with CMM about getting "Used Parts" sent to you out of country folk.

I send a Canuck friend of mine all sorts of "used" motorcycle stuff.

 

Bru

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You international guys need to buddy up with someone so you get all your shipments as gifts, not duty. It works have done it in the past with no issues. Shipments between individual persons not companies does not raise eyebrows.

 

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Restoring classic cars is not cheap, or economical. If I'd wanted a car that got great gas mileage and was cheap to operate, I'd have bought something more modern and generic. Oh wait - I did... a 1995 Honda Civic VX hatchback... and promptly sold it when I found my Mustang (Swiss cheese edition rust bucket with a seized engine), because even as bad as the Mustang was, the little hatch just wasn't cool anymore at that moment.

 

From start to finish (including purchase price), my total price tag is scrapin' something around $45K. That's not counting the labor costs I saved doing everything myself, or shipping charges for all the replacement parts required just to get it all back together again (which I'm sure wasn't cheap, since all but probably less than $2K of my parts were shipped). And mine is a restomod, not concourse - meaning that I could care less if some judge doesn't like what's out of place or not authorized on my car - it's "only" an H-Code, after all. ;) It also means that my car is not done - there will no doubt be something way cool that I just have to have coming out in the future... I haven't even meaningfully driven mine yet, and I'm already scoping out coil overs and rear discs... and the next set of rims and tires as well for that point in the future I were to ever get tired of the old school look.

 

Do you ever wonder just how cool your car is? Ask yourself this: would you ever fill the Mustang to the rafters with replacement parts for the Suzuki? Yeah... didn't think so.

 

Sorry to hear that shipping sucks for other countries, but it's not exclusive to people restoring American cars outside of the US Borders. Have you ever priced JDM parts for classic 240/260/280Zs or Celicas - with shipping? It's all part of the price of admission to the classic car owner's club.

Eric

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Restoring classic cars is not cheap, or economical. If I'd wanted a car that got great gas mileage and was cheap to operate, I'd have bought something more modern and generic. Oh wait - I did... a 1995 Honda Civic VX hatchback... and promptly sold it when I found my Mustang (Swiss cheese edition rust bucket with a seized engine), because even as bad as the Mustang was, the little hatch just wasn't cool anymore at that moment.

 

From start to finish (including purchase price), my total price tag is scrapin' something around $45K. That's not counting the labor costs I saved doing everything myself, or shipping charges for all the replacement parts required just to get it all back together again (which I'm sure wasn't cheap, since all but probably less than $2K of my parts were shipped). And mine is a restomod, not concourse - meaning that I could care less if some judge doesn't like what's out of place or not authorized on my car - it's "only" an H-Code, after all. ;) It also means that my car is not done - there will no doubt be something way cool that I just have to have coming out in the future... I haven't even meaningfully driven mine yet, and I'm already scoping out coil overs and rear discs... and the next set of rims and tires as well for that point in the future I were to ever get tired of the old school look.

 

Do you ever wonder just how cool your car is? Ask yourself this: would you ever fill the Mustang to the rafters with replacement parts for the Suzuki? Yeah... didn't think so.

 

Sorry to hear that shipping sucks for other countries, but it's not exclusive to people restoring American cars outside of the US Borders. Have you ever priced JDM parts for classic 240/260/280Zs or Celicas - with shipping? It's all part of the price of admission to the classic car owner's club.

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What amazes me is how much I am willing to spend on a car I don't drive very much. (To be fair, it was my second car and second 73 mustang and I have owned it for over 30 years). I also drove it almost a quarter million miles before it became my 'weekend' crusizer.

It didn't really nead a gearvendors overdrive. (But it's a lot more fun with it)

And the tri-power was a guilty pleasure, it's probably not as good as a setup as a classic holly 4 barrel carb. (But when the outboards kick in WHOA!)

 

But why am I considering roller perches for a car I drive about a thousand miles a year?

Why am I looking at upgraded suspension replacement options costing 3 times as much?

 

We all know why. We love these cars. I consider myself to be really lucky that a 73 Mach 1 was my first car and a 73 convertible my second. Basically they have been a part of my life for, well, most of my life. :)

'Mike'

73 Convertible - 351C/4V CC heads/4bolt/forged flat tops/comp 270/rhodes/mallory unilite/tri-power/hookers/glasspacks/c6/3.50 limited slip/Gear Vendors/Global West sub frames, strut rods and shelby style traction bars/ Rear sway bar/tilt steering (not original)

 

Pics of modifications included in: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-1973-convertible--3335]My Garage[/button]

 

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You international guys need to buddy up with someone so you get all your shipments as gifts, not duty. It works have done it in the past with no issues. Shipments between individual persons not companies does not raise eyebrows.

 

Here is an example to test the theory of sending packages from individual's (not specifically as gifts, that is a whole different equation to be looked at):

 

I received three packages this week. One was from Midlife, addressed from his personal address (as far as I can tell). He sent it USPS, declared the contents as "electrical auto wiring" with a value of $100. Result: No duties paid on my end upon receipt.

 

The second was from an individual in Cochranton, PA. He declared the contents as "front motor cover" and a value of $125. Result: $31.22 in duties paid.

 

The third example: An auction site purchase of hub caps (not a happy camper at the moment on this purchase...) from Arkansas and this site uses supposedly a third party shipping and duty collecting service. End result: $26 in import charges. Note: When ever you use this auction site, and are from outside the USA, you are forced to deal with their collection/mailing service, absolute rip-off...

 

So, for some reason, Midlife's package was not screened by Canada Customs requiring the applicable duty to be paid upon delivery. The package from the second example above was similar size, value etc. Paid the duty...

 

The last example is a last resort purchase for me at any time, without getting into the specifics. Upon receipt, the hub caps were not "NOS with a few shelf wear scratches and appear to have never been on a car" as described. One had a substantial dent, and another had curb rash... Now I am disputing the sale and looking to return these and get my $$ back... Why cant sellers be upfront and honest, save everyone a lot of hassle...

 

Conclusion: Its hit and miss with packages coming into Canada, my experience has been to always try and have the item shipped through USPS = 50/50 chance of being asked to pay duty.

 

What's funny is that I sent another package to Great (soon to be Lesser) Britain on the same day and that customer wanted it sent as a gift. Pastel Blue's was not sent as a gift. However, there was a bottle of Canadian Club attached to the box and stated "to be only opened by Customs". You think that had something to do with no duty fees?

 

And what was NAFTA all about if not to reduce tariffs and custom duties?

Let me check your shorts!

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