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That’s a thought, Jeff. It would depend on track with and ride height, and what it would take to make those things work. It’s another thing worth looking into.

 

Of course, it all gets back to the owner and how she really feels about the car at this point, and what she’s willing to spend. The Morrison stuff has the flexibility to let the car be anything she could ever want – sports car, race car, stock appearing, luxury cruiser. And all the changes can be easily made.

 

My electrical/computer specialist Dennis is evaluating all that. In the next week or two, it will be time to find out just what the lady wants. I’m hoping she’ll say where in this deep, let’s spend what it takes to really make it something. Of course, she could also decide to scrap the whole thing. Or, something somewhere in between. We shall see.

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 I can think of several choice words for this clown 

 Can't remember when it was, but there is a "kit" available for the converting 71-73's to rack & pinion and was featured in MM. It does require cutting half the cross member out though as I recall. 

 

The sad part is that this butcher is still free. He prolly made other victims since then...

 

As about the pinion rack thingy. Check on Youtube for a 73 black coupe, a project called "marge"

The guy makes nicely documented videos on his progresses. One of them covers this part in details.

 

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the amount of money to undo the damage exceeds getting another car and starting over.

 

money being no object yeah you can restore it. but she already spent so much money that you are going to exceed another 15K to make it right and then there still won't be money to make the car perfect. plus the time. now you basically have to undo everything the last guy did, then get it back to the point you can start install new metal to make it right, you looking at another year or more and as the time goes forward the money and likely hood of completion in the customers mind shrink then it becomes lets put this project on the back burner and eventually you get stuck with it in storage or with a lean on it.

 

you've got mechanical, electrical, engine, drivetrain all questionable. i mean what happens if the motor swap from a 2002 is junk and grenades a week after you finish.

 

you could find a decent replacement take all the good parts off this one and put it on the better start and at least have some of the parts transfer over to keep the memory alive.

 

i think there should be a realistic sit down with the customer and come up with a game plan to move forward or not.

 

i've been through this on my car. i pushed hard to get mine done and it was REALLY bad at the start.

i've spend tons of money and have a 20 footer at best that runs so-so and i wish i could of started over with a much better car.

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It sounds like the sentimental purposes will be the driver to continue on with the car.  It also looks like you have your work cut out for you.

 

If you were interested in going back to stock with a factory front end, harvesting a front clip from another model is very doable (I had to do that for mine - ran me around $400 and I did the transplant myself with the advice and encouragement of member from this site).  It also sounds like you have a plan in-place to unf... fix the front end to salvage the engine and R&P system.  The wiring's no biggie - check with Midlife for some replacement harness action, if nothing else.  Everything else is academic.

 

Good luck with it all and keep us posted, please - this is an interesting story.  

 

Also gotta remember that at the end of the day, these cars are only worth what they're worth to someone interested in them and willing to put the money, effort, and time into buying, restoring, and keeping them.  Never underestimate the value of a late husband's pride & joy to a grieving widow (I'm pretty sure mine would hang onto my Mustang since she has some sweat equity involved, but I'm pretty sure my Jeep likely would be up for grabs before the dirt was tamped down and sod replaced on my plot). ;)  :whistling:

Eric

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UPDATE

Since receiving the car I have done a bunch of research and developed a few options. Tonight was the meeting with the customer to discuss the course of action. The decision has been made to go back to the stock engine and suspension.

 

They still have the original engine and trans. They will be freshened and detailed and reinstalled with aftermarket FI and electronic ignition. We will be adding A/C and disc brakes.

 

I was shocked to find out that the other guy had it for EIGHT YEARS. In the end the way he treated her, she was expecting to hear that her was no hope. When I told her what we had planned she burst into tears and hugged me. Very powerful moment. She is now 65 years old. Her goal is to drive the thing before she dies of old age. I gave her my word.

 

I have over 40 years’ experience doing this work; and I have a great group of guys. I take this shit very seriously. There’s nothing I love more than making a mess back into what it is supposed to be, a car to be cherished and enjoyed.

 

First thing I’m looking for is a donor car for the front crossmember, steering, and under hood bits. Ideally it would be a rusted out shell with no engine, somewhere in the northeast. Where is the best place to post this?

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UPDATE

Since receiving the car I have done a bunch of research and developed a few options. Tonight was the meeting with the customer to discuss the course of action. The decision has been made to go back to the stock engine and suspension.

 

They still have the original engine and trans. They will be freshened and detailed and reinstalled with aftermarket FI and electronic ignition. We will be adding A/C and disc brakes.

 

I was shocked to find out that the other guy had it for EIGHT YEARS. In the end the way he treated her, she was expecting to hear that her was no hope. When I told her what we had planned she burst into tears and hugged me. Very powerful moment. She is now 65 years old. Her goal is to drive the thing before she dies of old age. I gave her my word.

 

I have over 40 years’ experience doing this work; and I have a great group of guys. I take this shit very seriously. There’s nothing I love more than making a mess back into what it is supposed to be, a car to be cherished and enjoyed.

 

First thing I’m looking for is a donor car for the front crossmember, steering, and under hood bits. Ideally it would be a rusted out shell with no engine, somewhere in the northeast. Where is the best place to post this?

 

This is awesome!  I don't know how much this will help, but this is the chassis drawing that Scott Keller provided to me when I swapped the front clip on mine.

 

frame.pdf

 

Hope it helps!  Sounds like this car is in good hands... Good on ya! ::thumb::

Eric

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I am not in the NE but in North Carolina. I have a 72 vert that got hit in rear so front is ok. It did bend the bumper but not the frame. It was a Ziebart car so not as rusty as most.

The front end is up for grabs. I have sold the disc brakes and spindles off the front but all other components are there. Is inside in my shop. Was a 1972 H code 351 with 3 speed one of only 82 they made.

PM if interested. Torque boxes not rusty either.

This car had a sad story also. He bought new, dated in the car, got married in the car and raised two boys in the car. He had painted and was in pretty nice shape and was driven in his funeral procession. His wife cried as I left with the car. They did not want it to go to junk yard. I told them I was using to keep several others going and she was happy. She was holding the Mustang fender emblems in her had as I left. She had said if I would fix it she would buy it back. Yes anything can be fixed but these cars are just not worth it to me. Worth more as parts to keep other better ones going.

That was a NOS front bumper, reinforcement and brackets the stickers were still on inside.

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When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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That is just terrible. I would have a nervous break down trying to make this car right again. Bless your soul for taking it on and good luck with it. It is a good cause both for the car and the lady. Ron

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Thank you Ron but nothing to have a breakdown about. This is the kind of thing we do. Even here in Central New York there is a never ending supply of aborted or problematic restorations, all brands, and all value levels. Of course, there is not a never ending supply of money to make them right. It’s hard for me to accept that I can’t save them all. But when I get the chance, I go all out to do so.

 

Note to David and others- what I am looking for in a parts car, ideally, would be something fairly complete under the hood, with power steering and power disc brakes. The engine and transmission don’t have to be any good, but I am going to need to source brackets and bolts and harnesses and such. Do not need seats for the like, and the body can be completely shot. Would like to get a parts car lot and come to pick it up in the next couple weeks. iMessage me here, or text or call 315-440-7351. My name is Bob. Really appreciate the help!

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Thank you Ron but nothing to have a breakdown about. This is the kind of thing we do.  Even here in Central New York there is a never ending supply of aborted or problematic restorations, all brands, and all value levels. Of course, there is not a never ending supply of money to make them right. It’s hard for me to accept that I can’t save them all. But when I get the chance, I go all out to do so.

 

Note to David and others-  what I am looking for in a parts car, ideally, would be something fairly complete under the hood, with power steering and power disc brakes. The engine and transmission don’t have to be any good, but I am going to need to source brackets and bolts and harnesses and such.  Do not need seats for the like, and the body can be completely shot.  Would like to get a parts car lot and come to pick it up in the next couple weeks.  iMessage me here, or text or call 315-440-7351. My name is Bob.  Really appreciate the help!

 

I would contact Don at Ohio Mustang Supply. He has new as well as used stuff and plenty of parts cars.

(440) 949-2556

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Probably too far away and in Ontario, Canada, but if you look up www.Kijiji.com . enter 1971 Mustang, location,  Ontario, all of Ontario, there is a guy with a front end that may work for you for 500 bucks Can or about 350 US on page 5. There is another ad for a complete 71 parts POS for 1500.

Just thought I'd send that, but I'm sure you can find something closer.

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I’m only an hour from the Canadian border so that’s not a problem. The problem is, importing a car from Canada. Way too much hassle.

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I’m  only an hour from the Canadian border so that’s not a problem. The problem is, importing a car from Canada. Way too much hassle.

 

You need to import a car even if you don't plan register/drive it?

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I’m  only an hour from the Canadian border so that’s not a problem. The problem is, importing a car from Canada. Way too much hassle.

 

 The front end is only parts, not a complete car. There should not be too much problem if any with that.

The complete car may be as there is no title (as you call it in the States). Even so, may be worth looking into. Buy it, strip what you want and scrap the rest before taking it over. More than one way to skin a cat!!

I can check with a friend who deals with exporting cars regularly, may be he can shed some light on the subject.

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Over here, you would just need the PO papers saying you have bought the car, in case police would think you stole the car. In practice its more for the PO to be able to cancel the car registration (annual check & road taxes)

But till you do not have the country's plates, for the law it's just a bunch of parts on wheels that doesn't need be imported.

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Over here, you would just need the PO papers saying you have bought the car, in case police would think you stole the car. In practice its more for the PO to be able to cancel the car registration (annual check & road taxes)

But till you do not have the country's plates, for the law it's just a bunch of parts on wheels that doesn't need be imported.

 

 It's a whole different world over here my friend!

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Thank you Ron but nothing to have a breakdown about. This is the kind of thing we do.  Even here in Central New York there is a never ending supply of aborted or problematic restorations, all brands, and all value levels. Of course, there is not a never ending supply of money to make them right. It’s hard for me to accept that I can’t save them all. But when I get the chance, I go all out to do so.

 

Note to David and others-  what I am looking for in a parts car, ideally, would be something fairly complete under the hood, with power steering and power disc brakes. The engine and transmission don’t have to be any good, but I am going to need to source brackets and bolts and harnesses and such.  Do not need seats for the like, and the body can be completely shot.  Would like to get a parts car lot and come to pick it up in the next couple weeks.  iMessage me here, or text or call 315-440-7351. My name is Bob.  Really appreciate the help!

 

 

I guess at this point in my life I have had too many projects from hell. They were always jobs for others and not my own at least and I may be a little burnt out at this point hence the nervous breakdown comment. Since you are in NY and I am in RI if come across a suitable parts car I let you know. 

Ron

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Latest on this car – after much consideration, the customer has officially decided to go ahead and have me fix the car. First order of business is to find a parts car! I have talked to a few people but ideally I am looking for something that is a V-8 automatic car with power steering and brakes, mostly complete under the hood. Engine does not have to run. Body can be completely shot with parts missing, don’t need any of that. I talked to a couple people but have not yet made a deal. Would love to find a car that I could pick up this weekend. Cash in hand! Within a days drive of Central New York.

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Great news. Also remember if you have time and there are parts on the car that you do not need you can always offset some of the cost by posting them on this site.

73 Grande H Code. Headman long tube headers, T-5 Transmission, 3.70 Traclok, Lowered 1" all around, Aussie 2v heads w/ 2.19 intake, 1.71 exhaust, screw in studs, full roller cam 608/612 lift 280/281 duration LSA 112, Quick Fuel 750 CFM double pumper, AirGap intake.

 

- Jason

 

 

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Jason- will do. Doors look nice and the LF fender. Once the job is done I will be trying to sell parts or maybe the whole carcass. Probably next summer.

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