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Finishing up my 71 429 SCJ and am looking for good quality decals, side stripes, and hood paint template in argent. Which company sells these and a decent price?

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I was asking the same thing and heard people say Phoenix Graphics is the best quality out there.

 

https://www.phoenixgraphix.com/

 

I am going to give my NOS argent a try when I get around to that.

 

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Looks like a split - I checked and graphics express has better pricing overall but phoenix graphix has more decals and options. Graphics express Ford product line is license by Ford.

 

I sure either way you go you will be happy.

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Just make sure Not to use the template layout measurements from the Mustang Monthly article. It’s wrong and they are a big reason so many guys get their hoods painted incorrectly. They state that the pattern should be 3” back from the leading edge of the hood when it should be 2”. It then throws the whole pattern off. Check out the threads I have on here as well as others. I can post some pics if you need me to.

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David - Carolina Mountain Mustangs has an original paint '73 and has posted many pics and dimensions. Here is his post with dimensions and jpaz' hood too.

 

https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-proper-hood-paint-layout?pid=346212#pid346212

 

Keep in mind the 2" dimension jpaz mentioned is from the leading edge of the hood molding, not the hood itself.

 

 

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David - Carolina Mountain Mustangs has an original paint '73 and has posted many pics and dimensions. Here is his post with dimensions and jpaz' hood too.

 

https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-proper-hood-paint-layout?pid=346212#pid346212

 

Keep in mind the 2" dimension jpaz mentioned is from the leading edge of the hood molding, not the hood itself.

Exactly!!

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Finishing up my 71 429 SCJ and am looking for good quality decals, side stripes, and hood paint template in argent. Which company sells these and a decent price?

 

I have an original paint hood on one of my 429 cars if you want the measurements off of that.  71-Fastback2-2.jpg

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I have a set of Ford licensed argent '71 Mach 1 stripes for sale.

 

You can see them here...

 

https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-71-oem-parts-for-sale?page=8

Thank you for replying. How old is the stripe kit? (date purchased)? And, $ price?

Tim: Restoring 71-73 Ponies, Restoring People

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Finishing up my 71 429 SCJ and am looking for good quality decals, side stripes, and hood paint template in argent. Which company sells these and a decent price?

 

I have an original paint hood on one of my 429 cars if you want the measurements off of that.  71-Fastback2-2.jpg

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David - Carolina Mountain Mustangs has an original paint '73 and has posted many pics and dimensions. Here is his post with dimensions and jpaz' hood too.

 

https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-proper-hood-paint-layout?pid=346212#pid346212

 

Keep in mind the 2" dimension jpaz mentioned is from the leading edge of the hood molding, not the hood itself.

Very nice pictures of the dimensions!!!!  Thanks for those!!!

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One of our Canadian members posted this off his pastel blue 429

 

 

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Thanks Don!!!!

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OK - Need to try to get this straight. My car is in the shop getting ready to be painted. The 2" back is a no brainer. My question is from the scopes to the cowl. Is this the same distance from the edge of the hood making a straight line back or does it flare out a little. I looked at all the pictures and it is different on some of them. David's looks almost straight within a 1/16" while the picture of the one from Canada appears to be over 1/2".

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One of our Canadian members posted this off his pastel blue 429

 

Thanks Don!!!!

 

 

Wonder if we could get a higher resolution photo. The dimensions written on the hood are illegible.

Do a search on here his original pic is on here... that was from where I saved it

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With the template 2” back from the leading edge of the hood trim and centered, the sides should fall into the correct place. The factory workers only had a few minutes to lay the patterns out, so many of the placements are a bit different from each other. Unless you are doing a concourse restoration, just follow the guidelines mentioned here. But if you are doing a concourse then don’t make it perfect, they sure weren’t from the factory.

I just told my painter to be sure that by the hood openings the pattern should be about 6” from the outside of the stripe to edge of hood and 5 1/2” at the back of the hood. I am really happy with the way it turned out. 6-C1412-FA-F121-4765-8028-63-A28-DF55-AAD.jpg

Not sure if you checked out the info I posted in a thread called hood blackout. I just had my hood painted earlier this year and I had to tell my painter what to do for placement. I didn’t do a concourse restoration so I just wanted it to be centered side to side. 

I also had to point out to him about the bottom blackout inside the door jambs. 71 is different from 72-73. 71 has body color between the sill and the blackout whereas 72-73 doesn’t. I think I have that info in that thread too. If you need pics let me know.

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Thanks jpaz.  Not doing concourse but want it to look good. I'm going to go with the same as yours.  Looks great.

 

I have the rest of the body color figured out.  Got the info from http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/paint_info.htm.

Kilgon

 

 

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Ya that’s pretty much what I did too. Between that and all the other info posted by other members, I kinda averaged it all out I guess you could say.

Anyway I’m sure you will have enough information for the painter and hopefully it turns out how you want it. Good luck with it!

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I have a set of Ford licensed argent '71 Mach 1 stripes for sale.

 

You can see them here...

 

https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-71-oem-parts-for-sale?page=8

Thank you for replying. How old is the stripe kit? (date purchased)? And, $ price?

 

The kit is about 5 years old.  No cracking and they are still quite flexible.

 

How does $50 plus shipping sound?

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My two cents.

I have been told by several members that the available templates are not correct. The gap between the outside line and inside fill is wrong and also the radius on the corners is wrong.

The black out was intended to be going back straight but you have to consider usually 2 min. in a work station did not allow them to be to accurate, no two alike. 

I did a rub off of my all original car and he tried to get the suppliers to change and he was told that no they would not change that people bought what they had so why change. 

He got one cut by someone to the layout I supplied.

I do go to pick the car up from the MOM Mustang Owner's Museum this weekend. I thought I loaned for a year but just 6 months and they have a car already booked for my spot. 

So I can do a rub off of the front end of the hood next week and send. 

BTW being licensed by Ford does not mean it is correct in any manner. You only need a license if it has the Ford Logo, or is trademarked by Ford. I do not know that they trademarked the hood paint or not.

Also lots forget that the rear underside of the hood was blacked out also to hide the ugly. Here is pic of my original car and the back side of another original hood. 

I should do a detail photo and measurement of the hood and post this is always a sore spot. You cannot really find a paint that yields the finish and look of the original today. 

Don't forget at each tail light there is a black out area also. The yellow car is original paint also with Decor Group but same as Mach 1.DSC-0254.jpg

 

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When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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As mentioned 2 minutes isn't much time. Great info from everyone. It seems that all the info we have is from everyone that has an original paint job and it seems that no two are alike. The big question, does any know what the exact measurements are that came from the factory. It would seem that there has to be some specs out there in Ford archives or somewhere. If we could come up with those then the stencil manufacturers would have to make corrections.

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I had my brother the body man Help me do my hood. He did not use the template. He didn't want to take the chance of the paint bleeding under template tape. So he freehand taped it with fine line.  We used the measurements for the 429 mega site. We did go a half inch less on the width. Just thought it looked better.

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As mentioned 2 minutes isn't much time. Great info from everyone.  It seems that all the info we have is from everyone that has an original paint job and it seems that no two are alike.  The big question, does any know what the exact measurements are that came from the factory.  It would seem that there has to be some specs out there in Ford archives or somewhere.  If we could come up with those then the stencil manufacturers would have to make corrections.

Ford did not have any published dimensions. Even the Osborne reprints of the Ford assembly instructions do not show any. 

The repo people do not car if they are right or wrong just want to take your money. I also have two original hoods in storage with original Factory Paint on them.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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