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I'm getting ready to paint my 73 back to the original color of bright green gold metalic and was wondering about the black on the hood, should it be glossy or low gloss? 

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thanks,

 

Joe

My Mustang Corral

1965 Coupe, 200 6 cyl, auto

1969 Fastback, built 302, auto

1973 Mach 1, 351 clevland, auto

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Be careful with the pattern, the setback dimension from the leading edge of the hood is from the front of the hood molding, not the edge of the hood sheetmetal. Very common mistake and it looks wrong after you've seen one done correctly. Search on the site for hood paint or similar, there has been plenty of discussion of materials, templates etc.

 

 

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If you go to the search tab and look up “hood blackout” or “hood template” you will find all the info and pics you need. But the black hood paint should be semi flat black. A lot of guys use Sem Hot Rod Black. My painter used his formula that he’s been using for 30 years.

Like Hemikiller said make sure that you or your painter gets the blackout pattern in the correct position, or it throws the whole look off. Center side to side and then the pattern should be set 2” back from the leading edge of the hood. Which means you measure from the front of the hood trim, not the hood edge.

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If you go to the search tab and look up “hood blackout” or “hood template” you will find all the info and pics you need. But the black hood paint should be semi flat black. A lot of guys use Sem Hot Rod Black. My painter used his formula that he’s been using for 30 years.

Like Hemikiller said make sure that you or your painter gets the blackout pattern in the correct position, or it throws the whole look off. Center side to side and then the pattern should be set 2” back from the leading edge of the hood. Which means you measure from the front of the hood trim, not the hood edge.

 

 Well put John. 

For us who have been around the site for a few years, this is getting "old hat", but to a newer member, getting that black-out right could be pretty daunting. No matter how many new members ask this question, we all are more than willing to help out and assist with information or where to find this information.

I have a suggestion; perhaps someone with the skills, can put together a separate heading for Hood Black-Out (or Argent) where it all can be found at a click of a button.

 

One thing to remember, none of these hoods were painted perfectly, but some try to achieve perfection and why not, but should it end up 1/8" off, who's really going to notice? 

When my hood was painted, it was me that screwed up. I told the painter 2" from the front of the hood forgetting that the trim piece was not yet on the car. The result was the front ended up 3" from the front. Also, I set the edges 6" in all the way back to front. Most agree that it was more like 5 3/8" at back to 5 7/8" by the scoops. There are pictures of this. The Templates available are not correct, but the one from Graphics Express seems to be about the best. My painter used this only as a guide and used plastic tape to do the actual masking. That template gave the edge dimension as 6" front to back. (Which from an esthetics point f view, looks to be a better proportion imo.) 

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Here are some pics of an original and it is flat not semi or gloss. It has somewhat of a texture to it. I put a couple shots of scale from front also. 

We have had lots of discussion on if the templates are right or wrong. If you order a template will you make a pencil rub of it and send to me and I will put next to mine and see if the radius are the same?

Lots of people go with gloss but the whole idea is to kill the glare. You do not want to get wax on it but you do not need to. That is original paint never buffed and it sat for all those years and it still looks pretty good. 

There are not really any paints today that look exactly like the original. They were all crooked and out of center on the originals they did not have time to make them perfect. 

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David's picture are probably the clearest you'll see anywhere and the offset, one side to the other is very clear, looks like almost 3/4" at the back hood edge. Halve any discrepancy and you'll be pretty damn close.

As far as the color goes, PPG describe it as "low gloss". I Googled PPG 9381 and found some interesting stuff. One site claims it was only on Chevrolets from 1974?? WTF, it was a very common paint used way before that as we all know. It was used on Boss 302's as well.

For information, here are scans from an original PPG color chart for the 1971 Mustang and others. While these show where the 9381 paint was used inside and out, it does not describe the gloss level or texture, which is unfortunate.

71 PPG colour chart.pdf

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I did a 65 mustang for a guy once and he wanted the tail light panel blacked out. I used DuPont back then in the 70's and got a pint mixed. They added a flattening compound to the mix and DuPont had a formula but they are long gone.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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Wow, alot of great information, I want to Thank each and every one of you for your responses. This is all of the info that I needed, the measurements are perfect and also the links. I apologize for not searching for other threads on this subject on the site.

 

Thanks again for the responses.

 

Joe

My Mustang Corral

1965 Coupe, 200 6 cyl, auto

1969 Fastback, built 302, auto

1973 Mach 1, 351 clevland, auto

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Wow, alot of great information,  I want to Thank each and every one of you for your responses. This is all of the info that I needed, the measurements are perfect and also the links. I apologize for not searching for other threads on this subject on the site.

 

Thanks again for the responses.

 

Joe

 Hi Joe, glad I/we could help out. It's what this forum is all about.

Any questions, just ask. Someone will have an answer for you.

Geoff.

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http://www.429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/paint_info.htm

 

Be careful with the pattern, the setback dimension from the leading edge of the hood is from the front of the hood molding, not the edge of the hood sheetmetal. Very common mistake and it looks wrong after you've seen one done correctly.  Search on the site for hood paint or similar, there has been plenty of discussion of materials, templates etc.

 

There's some weird stuff out there regards to what black-out paint is correct. On the 429 site "Bob Perkins" states DDL9423, but not on the 71 and 72 PPG color charts I have, both list PPG/Ditzler 9381 for hood and other areas, I could find no correlation between the two numbers. I also found a lot of misinformation about these paints on the web.

On the Boss 302 forum, one person stated that (SEM) Hot-Rod Black (satin) was "a comparable replacement for 9423" which is a non-textured paint, low gloss.

I would love to actually see these paints side by side to compare, but that's not possible these days by all accounts as they're discontinued, formulas no longer available.

I guess if the car is NOT a concourse trailer queen and as long as it's not gloss black, if it looks right, then it is right. My money's on Hot-Rod satin black all day long and IF you happen to accidently get some polish or detailer on it, no problem. I actually use either Mothers Quick Detailer or more recently, McGuires on the hood without any change in finish.

Geoff.

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I had the gloss black on my hood, along with the wrong pattern. I knew it was wrong when I bought it, but it did look pretty good. I figured I would redo it one day anyway.

I really like the semi flat way better than the gloss. The glare with the gloss is horrible.

John - 72 Q Code

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Stanlover, Thanks for the good info, it is definitely not a concourse trailer queen, I just want to put it back to the original color since it is a numbers matching car, and then we're going to drive the crap out of it , because they are pretty cool cars.

 

jpaz, I agree, the semi flat black does look a lot better, I think it makes them look bada@#.

 

Thanks again for your responses

 

Joe

My Mustang Corral

1965 Coupe, 200 6 cyl, auto

1969 Fastback, built 302, auto

1973 Mach 1, 351 clevland, auto

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There is one more option that I had not thought of until a friend mentioned it. That is to get a 'wrap' done for the hood black-out. With an accurate template, any good graphics shop should be able to do it as long as they have, or can get, the right sheen. 

My friend had a white Corvette and had red hood inserts made. It looked like paint, but with the advantage it is removable.

Geoff.

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There is one more option that I had not thought of until a friend mentioned it. That is to get a 'wrap' done for the hood black-out. With an accurate template, any good graphics shop should be able to do it as long as they have, or can get, the right sheen. 

My friend had a white Corvette and had red hood inserts made. It looked like paint, but with the advantage it is removable.

Someone on here did a wrap for hood black, I think it was one of our European members.

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Never thought about a wrap, that may not be a bad way to go.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Joe

My Mustang Corral

1965 Coupe, 200 6 cyl, auto

1969 Fastback, built 302, auto

1973 Mach 1, 351 clevland, auto

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A member did do a wrap. I did a pencil rub of my original hood on paper and he had the transfer cut. Do not remember who it was, getting old sucks. DSC-2481.jpg

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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I went with hot rod black. I like the sheen over the flat black.

 The original PPG 9381 is listed as Low-Gloss not flat. 

Hot-Rod Black was my choice too for the same reason. I get no complaints.IMG-0081-2-LI.jpg

Geoff.

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Both of them definitely look good. I will probably go with the hot rod black.

 

Thanks for the pics and info.

 

Joe

My Mustang Corral

1965 Coupe, 200 6 cyl, auto

1969 Fastback, built 302, auto

1973 Mach 1, 351 clevland, auto

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Both of them definitely look good. I will probably go with the hot rod black.

 

Thanks for the pics and info.

 

Joe

 As mentioned before, the Hot-Rod Black is proving to be quite durable. While mine does not have the Hot-Rod clear coat over it and if I were doing mine again, I think I'd put a light coat on the hood at least. You would not want to build up the edges too much. I am of course assuming the matching clear coat is still available. Also, the Hot-Rod black was used for the lower portion, tail light panel where needed and the spoiler. One kit was just enough for that. HOT TIP. Paint the hood either hanging upside down or on a sharp angle. This will stop any dust settling into the wet paint. Tricky to do, but will give a perfect finish.

For info, Eastwood 2K ceramic under hood paint is also proving to be excellent although it does have texture. It is not cheap! I used 2 cans on the aprons, rad support and firewall. For the chassis parts I used Eastwood Chassis black. Trim parts were done with SEM Trim Black and NPD's Slop Grey for the detail items where required.

Under the fenders, we have a product here in Canada from Dominion Sure Seal and is a paintable rocker guard (not that rubberized tar crap). That plus a shot of Chassis black looks really good. Don't forget along the top of the fenders to add a strip of 3M sealer strip. If you don't, water will get under the fender top edges and could rust over time. They were factory sealed before.

The stripe kit I used was from Graphics Express in Florida. There are others out there, some good some crap. Yours being a 73 is also available from G/E.

This is just what I chose to do on mine, I'm sure there are many other opinions out there.

Geoff

PS, Please make sure the shape and positioning are correct. No matter how good the paint is, if the shape is wrong it will stand out like a sore thumb.

Geoff.

 I learn something new every day!

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