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72 hardtop Hcode "Geraldine" Build


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Hello all,

 

This is Geraldine and her build thread.  My name is Lance, my wife Janet and I have always wanted a classic muscle car.  My wife decided to bite the bullet and spend some of her savings on a 72 Mustang hardtop 351C 2v (and who am I to argue :D ).  Her car her preference, hence the name “Geraldine”.  The idea is that we do the work that we can and hire out the rest.  We want this car to be our own.  Moreover, by “We” I mean she wants to be involved getting her hands dirty and learning all she can along the way.  It is cool seeing her researching and learning about the car and I like that we are doing this together.  I am a novice myself but I have never been afraid to try things.  So here we go!!

 

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Geraldine showed 7044 miles when we got her.  We believe that is 207,044 miles. Over all the sheet metal is not too bad.  She has some dents and dings and the paint is pretty faded.  She has little to no rust that we have found.  The floor pans and the trunk pan look awesome!  We think she was garage kept and around the San Antonio, TX area her whole life.  There are some gaps in the timeline but we are trying to fill those in.  The driver’s side under the back window is the worst rust we have found so far...

 

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The hood had a bow in it, but that just gave us an excuse to get a NASA hood and ram air. 

 

The overall plan as it sits right now is to get her mechanically sound and then start prepping for paint.

 

If I can get a warm fuzzy about it, we may pull the engine before we send her to paint and work on cleaning and freshening up the engine while the car is gone.  I have never done anything like that so we will have to see how that goes.

 

She starts easy, runs good, and has plenty of power.  The PO said, he was told the engine had been rebuilt at some point but he did not have any info.  However, he had receipts for work he had done.  New gas tank, rebuilt trans (FMX), new engine mounts and trans mount, new shocks front and rear, new springs in front, new lower arms and new bushings all thru the front end and steering, new rebuilt carb. 

 

This is a factory A/C car but all of the compressor hoses were cut out and the PO said it was like that when he got it.  He also removed the compressor when he was changing out the power steering pump.  The compressor is currently in a box in the trunk with the mounting brackets. Right next to the old carb.  I see a classic air system in our future.

 

Something I have noticed.  Cruising at highway speeds there is a surge happening.  I will most likely need help/advice figuring that one out… 

 

 

Over Thanksgiving we took advantage of CJ Pony Parts black Friday sales and saved just over $500.  Unfortunately that meant we spent over $1700.  Part of what we got was a new Steering wheel, Rear Spoiler, NASA Hood, and all of the ram air parts.

 

 

Here is a pic with the new spoiler and hood.  Let me tell you, putting that new hood on with just me and my small wife was not an easy task!!  She's a real trooper!

 

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The rear leaf springs are very tired.  I have new springs waiting to go on.  The 9” diff is leaking so my plan is to pull the axel out as I change the springs and clean/paint the whole thing along with a thorough inspection.  It does not look like the pinion is leaking just the main gasket.  I am crossing my fingers that it is just that simple.

 


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(Look at those beautiful floor pans.)

 

I does look like the rear end has been replaced at some point (appears a junkyard wrote “88K” on it) but I do not know how long ago that was.  The axel and springs have a very different patina then the rest of the car so I am thinking they swapped the whole thing as a complete assembly.  While I am doing an inspection, I will figure out what the gear ratio is.  I checked while I had it lifted and the tires spin opposite directions so I think it is just an open dif.

 

 

I have Monday off for MLKJ Day so I am starting in on the rear end this weekend.  I have watched some videos and it looks like getting the old bolts out of the leaf ends may prove to be difficult.  Wish me luck…

 

 

Thanks,

Lance

Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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Maybe just me lance, but I don’t see any pictures, congrats on the project. It will be fun getting dirty with the wife, it always makes any project better when you have someone with you. I live just north of Austin if you guys feel like meeting up some time. Tim

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Good luck on your project!! Our project is a husband and wife team effort also. It is great bonding time for us, as life has gotten busy with raising little ones.

 

 

Lots of great folks on this site to help as you go along. Our project wouldn't be this far along without all the information available for reading and folks that participate on this great forum.

Brett

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Maybe just me lance, but I don’t see any pictures, congrats on the project. It will be fun getting dirty with the wife, it always makes any project better when you have someone with you. I live just north of Austin if you guys feel like meeting up some time.  Tim

Thanks for bringing the no pics thing to my attention.  I will have to move them someplace else and re-link them.  Thx.  We'll definitely have to meet up sometime.  I have now edited the pics and they should be showing up.  Please let me know if they are not.  

 

bonus pic of Geraldine:

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Great to hear you are both jumping in. Your pics do not show up for me either. 

About the only jobs a DIY can't do is the machine work on engine. Just do your research and ask questions. Where did you find a gal that wants to work on car? That would be a keeper for sure.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

David

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No pictures :(

 

Good luck on your project. I wouldn't set up a schedule, too many unknowns, do what you can when you can and stay flexible.

 

 

“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”

--Albert Einstein

 

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Thank you all!  I believe I have the images fixed now.  I am linking them from google photos and I could see them fine but no one else could.  I was using MS Edge to browse to google photos and copy the image address I needed and the n paste it into the forum.  What I have learned is that Edge does not copy the link correctly.  It only works correctly if I use Chrome (Made By Google) to copy the image address.  Any way I think I got it fixed.  Pease let me know if you still can't see my pics.  Thx.

Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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I made use of the long weekend and pulled the rear end out or Geraldine.

As I don't have any history about when it was replaced or any service history, I wanted to do this sooner rather than later and I also have new leaf springs waiting to go back in.

 

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The main gasket was leaking but there was no evidence that the pinion seal was bad.

I got the axle up on saw horses and pressure washed it to get rid of the majority of all the buildup.

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When I started I could not read any of the markings as they were all full of gunk.

Once that was done I moved it indoors and started pulling it apart.

 

I apologize as I apparently didn't get any pics of it while I had it apart. 

 

I cleaned it all up.  Oil looked good and fresh.  I could not find any debris or any evidence of chipped gears.  In actuality it all looked pristine.  I got out the magnetic base and the dial gauge and went to work getting some measurements.

 

Highest measurement on runout was .0025"  and backlash was .009"

 

The build sheets say Geraldine came with a 9" 2.75:1 axle and Geraldine's build date is Sept of 71.

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The date on the axle is late Oct of 71.  

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I am assuming that 09/71 date is when she left the line so I think that proves this is not the original axle.  However, I think that does show it was pulled from a 72 mustang also.

The tags lists the same gear ratio and after counting I confirmed it is indeed still 2.75:1 gears installed.

 

I put the axle all back together on Sunday and gave the new gasket overnight to cure.  Monday morning I got out the wire wheels and an assortment of other similar tools and went to work on removing old paint and any grime the pressure washer missed.

 

Here is a pic after I got some primer on it.

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And that is as far as I got.  Hope to have some more to post soon.

Thanks,

Lance

Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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Hi. It doesn't look like your images are getting the full URL. If you are using Google Photos to host your images, when you click on one you want to share, you should see some icons across the top right. The share icon (the 'acute angle') has the tool you want to use: 'Create link'.Hopefully that takes care of it for you.

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I gave up on getting google photos to work.  I moved all of my pics to a different place and re-linked them.  Hopefully that does the job.

Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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I gave up on getting google photos to work.  I moved all of my pics to a different place and re-linked them.  Hopefully that does the job.

 

Look like that worked. The pictures look good.

Good luck with the project.

 

Mike

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I do love green coupes! (I might be coloured a tad)

It's been said already, but you are extremely lucky to have a wife who wants to be part of the project.

 

Good luck to the both of you! Looking forward to read more about your progress!

73 modified Grande 351C. (Finally back on the road woohoo!) 

71 429CJ. ( In progress )

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Welcome from PA. Nice project and effort. Not bad for a novice using a dial indicator! What leaf springs/vendor did you purchase? Leaf springs and repair/build to my differential is on the to-do list. Got some 'growling' from the rear, better when the top is down, LOL

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Welcome from PA.  Nice project and effort.  Not bad for a novice using a dial indicator!  What leaf springs/vendor did you purchase?  Leaf springs and repair/build to my differential is on the to-do list. Got some 'growling' from the rear,  better when the top is down, LOL

 

I almost bought springs online (CJ Pony Parts if I remember correctly) but the $150 shipping cost made me stop and wonder if I could get any local.   My daily driver is a Jeep Wrangler and I have a local Jeep shop that I trust (Bikini Offroad).  When I was in their shop I asked Tony the owner is he new of anyplace local where I could get quality springs.  He recommended ACE Spring Services here in San Antonio.  He said they were awesome and that's where he gets all of his springs for the older Jeeps that use leaf springs.  So that's where I got them.  They were about $50 more than what I found online and because I picked them up I still saved around $100.  I still ordered all of the new hardware online as I got free shipping on the small parts and they were cheaper than the local guy.  Hopefully I can get them and the rear axle reinstalled this weekend.  I'll get some pics of the painted axle before I start tomorrow.

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Welcome to the forum from RI. It looks like you have scored a pretty solid Mustang. Consider yourself fortunate you live in road salt free Texas. Good luck to you and your wife.

I am looking forward to following your progress.

Ron

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Hello all,

 

Its been a few weeks since I got the rear end back under Geraldine so I have been putting this update off as I debate whether or not to share the HUGE mistake I made that could have been disastrous.  Thankfully, God was watching out for us and all turned out well without any real damage.  I'll get into all that a little later. (yeah, yeah,  I know,  I grabbed your attention and now I'm making you wait...  That's Life.  I have to keep my ratings up somehow. :D )  When I last left off I had pulled the rear end, inspected and put it all back together.  I then took a wire wheel and other power tools to it.  Once I had all the old finish off I primed it.  I believe that was the last pic I posted.  So here is one after paint.

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Here is a nice before and after that includes new springs and hardware.

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I just want to say, the hardest thing to accomplish so far was getting the old rubber grommets out of the shackle perches at the rear of the leaf springs.  I watched videos and searched for anything I could find on how to get those old bushings out.  most of them showed using a drill to weaken and separate the rubber from the metal it is bonded to.  The problem is there isn't much room between the perch and the gas tank on the inside and the perch and the body panel on the outside.  You can't get a punch and hammer in there and you certainly cant get a drill in there I even tried a right angle attachment on a drill.  It didn't fit either.  My wife tried shoving a little shorty screwdriver in between the rubber and steel and wasn't having much luck but that got me to thinking.  I sharpened the tip of the flathead stubby screwdriver.  Then I used a long bladed utility knife to slice off the rubber lip on the outside of the grommet.  That gave better access to the joint between the rubber and steel.  I then had to shove the screwdriver in between and force it in over and over again all the way around the grommet.  Finally with it shoved in at the bottom I would pull with all I had and pry the rubber out.  Once it moved just a little bit, it could be worked the rest of the way out.  Then repeat 3 more times.  All together we spent almost three hours trying to get those nasty little buggers out of there.

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From there it all went together pretty smoothly.  I had taken lots of pics of the drum brakes before I took them apart.  With the aid of those pics and a little scratching of my head I got the brakes back together.  We blead all four brakes. (Another first time thing for us.) and while I took care of other odds and ends Janet put the rims and tires back on.  I had the thought that I need to go back and retighten those lugs, however I failed to do so.  (There's a little foreshadowing of things to come.)  We got Geraldine all back together and decided to take her for a short test drive around the neighborhood.  She felt great!  All the slop was gone out of the rear end.  Before, you would feel the back end moving and any speed bump would make you bottom out. All that was gone.  It even made the loose steering box feel a little better.  However there was a problem,  I kept hearing a sound that I could only describe as a metal gurgling. I stopped once and looked for anything that looked out of place. I couldn't find anything.  As I went around the last corner about a half mile from our house I kept the speed up a little so I could feel how she handled in the corner.  I felt something shift!  I immediately pulled over.  I looked all around and still couldn't find anything out of place.  I got back in and started to go the last half mile back to the house but as soon as I started rolling I felt the driver side rear corner drop.  I hit the brakes and stopped right there.  when I got out I could tell that corner was sitting low.  (Later Janet Who was in her car behind me said she saw the wheel wobble as it happened).  When I looked underneath I could see the hub was out of the lug holes and sitting down on the inside of the rim.  I don't know how it managed to stop there but I can't imagine all of the damage it would have done to the axle and body if it had come all the way off.  when I pulled the hub cap off I found the mysterious "metal gurgling" sound.  It was the five lug nuts bouncing inside of that dish plate sized hub cap.  I jacked the car up and put it all back together.  As far as I can tell the only damage done was a small pile of shaving that I think came from the lug holes on the rim. We are planning on new rims anyway so I am not too worried about that.  I checked the other side and at most I only turned the lug nuts about a 1/4 further than what my wife had done.  I running theory is that the brake drum was sitting a little off kilter when she put the rim on and that kept her from getting a good seat of the drum and rim.  Even though she tightened them as soon as it started rolling it most likely loosened right up and as more lug nuts came off the sound got louder.  I put the hubcaps back on which kept the nuts from being spread out along the 2 miles we had driven but I might have noticed the missing nuts if the caps had not been on.  Who knows...

 

We are ok. Geraldine is ok! and we have had her out a couple of times since then and all seems great.  When I went back later and checked the nuts with my clicker style torque wrench I had Janet try to make it click.  With her buck 25 frame she could not make it click when set at 100 ft lbs.  Lesson learned, note to self, always check lug nuts with a torque wrench.

 

One last thing for you northern guys to drool over.  Here is a pick of Geraldine's unmolested unrestored trunk. (Got to love south Texas)

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Good to hear nothing bad happened to you or the car. 

I had something similar happen to me back in 1975 or 76. I was getting ready to drive from Central New York to Miami to visit my mother, who was living there at the time. Before I left I decided to get the oil changed and tires rotated on my '75 Gran Torino. I got on the road as soon as the garage was done with my car. I was on I-81 just about to Wilkes-Barre Pa. (about 5 hours into the trip) when the front end started shaking like crazy. I pulled over on the shoulder as quick as I could. As soon as I stopped the car the right side of front end dropped. When I walked around the car the wheel was laying on the ground next to it. When I checked out the hub all of the studs had been sheered right off.

 

Being around 17 at the time I don't think I realized how lucky I was! I was probably cruising at 70-75 with Led Zeppelin cranking. Clueless! I was pissed only because I had to stay in Wilkes-Barre overnight while the car was repaired.

 

I never even thought to check the lugs after the garage rotated the tires. Needless to say I did after that, and I still do.

 

Mike

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