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Thanks, David.  As I said in the other post, "time will tell" and it is playing out exactly as the Drs, Nurses and Scientists said it would.  In less than a week we went from "Hoax" to National Emergency.  Yes, my earlier paranoia was/is indeed fueled by the added risk factors:  age and co-morbidities.

 

Since we missed the window of containment long, long ago, what's most essential is whatever it takes to minimize the spread so that the healthcare system is not overwhelmed.  Y'all might have seen the original graph of "the benefit of social distancing"; I'll share one that might actually get people who ignore data to at least look ;)

 

And one thing I'll share just here:  you don't exclusively need disinfectant wipes (as if you can find any now).  Plain old soap and water is the best disinfectant for all common surfaces so the car cleaning products, such as ArmorAll Cleaning wipes (not Glass, not Interior, just "Cleaning") are still pretty available (and on sale at Target for 2 for $12 in the Value Size).

 

Be well, everyone.

 

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Our school district is closed for a minimum of two weeks, probably longer. The data says that this is the one single action that can seriously stem the tide of the outbreak and I firmly believe that. I live a half mile from the middle school and the reduction in traffic during vacations is unbelievable.

 

 

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I ventured out this afternoon the 8 half gallons of whiskey I got are gone, lol.

Since the ABC store is right beside the grocery I put a mask on and went in to get some salmon and fresh veges. I was shocked. Prices look normal and eggs were $.85 a dozen. There was plenty of meat no empty areas and lots of bread and fresh veges. So at least where I live people have quit buying everything off the shelves. I understand the density of the people in the big cities puts a stain on supplies. 

I did go on the interstate and saw things that should not be. Cars from Wisconsin, Delaware, NY and many other states seem to be running. I think it is stupid that they opened the beaches in Florida. 

Just saw on the news that the Cherokee Indian reservation that is near by has much stronger requirements. You will not come in if out of state, local only... They have more say than state or federal. They are taking it serious like all should have to have killed it short. Now it will drag on forever because of all of those that say the reports from China were false and it is nothing. Nothing my skinny ass. 

This will probably kill more small business than anything ever. The national debt will be beyond recovery so get ready for a new life style very soon. The rich are not going to pay the bills the middle class and poor have to do that in the U.S.. Social Security that we paid for years ago might collapse. You cannot just keep getting another credit card.

More and more lies about the full extent of the dead in China keep popping up so way more than first said. They were stacked up in coolers and they could not burn them fast enough. They have new outbreak in areas far away from the start near Russia. Heck unclaimed bodies are just being buried here in the U.S.. Look back at all those that were in denial they tired to kill this country.

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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My partner is a Nurse/Matron in the local Hospital,

She told me today that 2 of her staff despite wearing all the correct PPE have gone down with the virus!

 

There's a lot more to come :(

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Get use to it folks. This is going to be the new normal for some time to come. Due to the few that don't want to follow the rules many will pay. I was watching the protesters on the news and what bother me was the aholes that had their kids with them. Any of those parents who kid get the virus should be charged with child endangerment. No one likes the situation. I understand the hardship that it has caused a vast majority of the people and businesses. But why take the chance to make it worse. Going out in crowds is only asking for trouble. My 34 yo niece has gotten the virus and was just released from the hospital. She did everything right except one of her friends was out running around a stopped by her house to see her. Instead of keeping their distance they gave each other a hug. Turns out that who she got it from. On second thought we ought to take the protesters and give them the virus. Maybe then they would learn how dangerous it is.

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Get use to it folks.  This is going to be the new normal for some time to come.  Due to the few that don't want to follow the rules many will pay.  I was watching the protesters on the news and what bother me was the aholes that had their kids with them.  Any of those parents who kid get the virus  should be charged with child endangerment.  No one likes the situation. I understand  the hardship that it has caused a vast majority of the people and businesses.  But why take the chance to make it worse.  Going out in crowds is only asking for trouble. My 34 yo niece has gotten the virus and was just  released from the hospital.  She did everything right except one of her friends was out running around a stopped by her house to see her.  Instead of keeping their distance they gave each other a hug.  Turns out that who she got it from.  On second thought we ought to take the protesters and give them the virus.  Maybe then they would learn how dangerous it is.

Great to hear your niece is over the worst.  ::thumb::   Trouble is because people can't see the virus many think it won't happen to them!  :shootself:

 

What State does your niece live in?

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My brother will be undergoing a second SWAB test as he suddenly had a sore throat and fever.

He works as a nurse and has been exposed to patients who were positive with COVID-19. He is trying to be positive, but he is not really feeling well right now. I am trying my best to cheer him up, I just really hope that it's just common flu, like what his colleague told him.

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Overhere in the Netherlands we are starting to very, very slowly start working towards the "new normal". First changes will be reopening daycare and school for small kids. Apparantly kids hardly suffer and do not spread as much as teenagers and adults. This comes from a scientific report published today. Our prime minister will announce changes tonight on national tv. All other precautions like keeping distance, work from home, stay at home as much as possible and not being allowed to visit elderly homes will stay in effect. Also all entertainment remains closed as do shops where client and owner have physical contact with the exception of those that have enough protection like the dentist.

 

I saw the protesters in the US on the news here. Hospital personnel was blocking them. Those protesters.... I was going to write something bad but I wouldn't want to offend anybody ;-) Hospital staff, esp. the ones working in the ICU, deserve a medal.

 

Stay safe everybody!

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Overhere in the Netherlands we are starting to very, very slowly start working towards the "new normal". First changes will be reopening daycare and school for small kids. Apparantly kids hardly suffer and do not spread as much as teenagers and adults. This comes from a scientific report published today. Our prime minister will announce changes tonight on national tv. All other precautions like keeping distance, work from home, stay at home as much as possible and not being allowed to visit elderly homes will stay in effect. Also all entertainment remains closed as do shops where client and owner have physical contact with the exception of those that have enough protection like the dentist.

 

I saw the protesters in the US on the news here. Hospital personnel was blocking them. Those protesters.... I was going to write something bad but I wouldn't want to offend anybody  ;-) Hospital staff, esp. the ones working in the ICU, deserve a medal.

 

Stay safe everybody!

Vinnie,

We do have some idiots here that still believe this is all a hoax and not real. They say that nobody can tell them to stay home that this is America and you can't do that so they go out and gather in protests. Our only hope for people like that is they get the virus and will thin them out so that we have a better place to live.

The health care workers and workers at the grocery are the soldiers in this battle for sure. People staying away from them is the only thing we can do to help. We have had several of our retirement homes here get the virus in and once in it is difficult to control. I did not see a new number last night. Due to this being a big retirement area we do have lots of older people. 

Good to hear your area starting to come back to normal. Our stay at home has been extended two more weeks at least.

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When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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Overhere in the Netherlands we are starting to very, very slowly start working towards the "new normal". First changes will be reopening daycare and school for small kids. Apparantly kids hardly suffer and do not spread as much as teenagers and adults. This comes from a scientific report published today. Our prime minister will announce changes tonight on national tv. All other precautions like keeping distance, work from home, stay at home as much as possible and not being allowed to visit elderly homes will stay in effect. Also all entertainment remains closed as do shops where client and owner have physical contact with the exception of those that have enough protection like the dentist.

 

I saw the protesters in the US on the news here. Hospital personnel was blocking them. Those protesters.... I was going to write something bad but I wouldn't want to offend anybody  ;-) Hospital staff, esp. the ones working in the ICU, deserve a medal.

 

Stay safe everybody!

Vinnie,

We do have some idiots here that still believe this is all a hoax and not real. They say that nobody can tell them to stay home that this is America and you can't do that so they go out and gather in protests. Our only hope for people like that is they get the virus and will thin them out so that we have a better place to live.

The health care workers and workers at the grocery are the soldiers in this battle for sure. People staying away from them is the only thing we can do to help. We have had several of our retirement homes here get the virus in and once in it is difficult to control. I did not see a new number last night. Due to this being a big retirement area we do have lots of older people. 

Good to hear your area starting to come back to normal. Our stay at home has been extended two more weeks at least.

 

Well put. We will be far from normal for a while. But keeping the youngest at home creates more problems than it solves I guess so that's less restricted now. The main goal is maintaining sustainable levels of (health) care. So far almost everybody has been dealing with the restrictions well but the longer they take the less likely it will stay that way (we have idiots here too).

The retirement homes here have been hit real hard too. Difficult to control and they're badly prepared and protected. The NL has had a huge shortage of protective gear and tests. Hospitals barely managed to get enough free ICU beds. Thankfully Germany would take some patients, they were one of the best prepped counties in the EU. ICU usage has been dropping steadily here now for nearly 2 weeks but it goes very slow. Hopefully we can keep it going like this untill a vaccine becomes available but experts think that might take a year or so...

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I will chime in here as I have a slightly different opinion. Yes the virus is serious, but what is also serious is the government overreach here. While I am not one out protesting and I do practice my social distancing, wear a face mask in public and require all of my employees to wear them as well, I do not appreciate having my constitutional rights trampled on. My wife is a nurse and she agrees that the government has gone too far in attempting to control people and completely shutting down the economy. The hospital here has had far more patients with depression, suicide attempts, etc than they have COVID-19 patients since this all started. Everyone is wired differently and for a lot of people what the government is doing is far more devastating than the virus. Just my 2 cents.

 

There is no easy solution to this problem.  Don't do anything and have a possible fatality rate in the millions or take action and try to stem the death rate by limiting the population moment and exposure.  Either way we loose.  I think that we in the mid west have not been fully exposed to it yet.  Once the restrictions are lifted then those with asymptomatic will spread it to the rest of us. Both of the coasts have seen the first wave of it and the devastating effects it can have.  I don't know what type of business you have and am sorry for the hardship it is causing you.  I for one do agree that there should be some type of guide lines allowing nonessential businesses that don't come in direct contact with the public to stay open provided they provide their employees with PPE.  Only time will tell just how right or wrong the decisions made were.

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I live in the Detroit metro area and if you ask me this has been blown way out of proportion. Yes it it a bad virus and yes it has and still is killing a lot of people, but so does influenza, heart attacks, cancer, car crashes and so on. If it’s so bad then why did all of the extra facilities they set up around here barely had any people come in? One place with a 1000 beds had 200 and another one had 500 beds and only 9 were used. Then we have a very large hospital that totally closes and sends patients with covid somewhere else! I just don’t get it. What a mess.

I also think that we are just going to have to learn to live with this somehow and hopefully someday they can come up with a vaccine for it. I really do feel bad for people that have died from this. According to the CDC at least 24-64k people die in the US each year from the flu. Pretty wide range but I think the figures get skewed from non reporting issues and the same thing is happening with this covid 19.

They need to lighten up on some of the restrictions they have and yes, I do think we all need to keep a safe distance from each other for now. Hope the country can start getting back to work! Just my 2 cents worth and I hope everyone gets through this ok.

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I live in the Detroit metro area and if you ask me this has been blown way out of proportion. Yes it it a bad virus and yes it has and still is killing a lot of people, but so does influenza, heart attacks, cancer, car crashes and so on. If it’s so bad then why did all of the extra facilities they set up around here barely had any people come in? One place with a 1000 beds had 200 and another one had 500 beds and only 9 were used. Then we have a very large hospital that totally closes and sends patients with covid somewhere else! I just don’t get it. What a mess.

I also think that we are just going to have to learn to live with this somehow and hopefully someday they can come up with a vaccine for it. I really do feel bad for people that have died from this. According to the CDC at least 24-64k people die in the US each year from the flu. Pretty wide range but I think the figures get skewed from non reporting issues and the same thing is happening with this covid 19.

They need to lighten up on some of the restrictions they have and yes, I do think we all need to keep a safe distance from each other for now. Hope the country can start getting back to work! Just my 2 cents worth and I hope everyone gets through this ok.

 

 

I saw on tv here that hospitals in NYC had (have?) patients lying in the hallways due to shortage of space... When hospitals in hot spots here started to overflow we moved patients around the country and even to another country. You folks should ask questions about why this aint happening for the people left in hallways...

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I live in the Detroit metro area and if you ask me this has been blown way out of proportion. Yes it it a bad virus and yes it has and still is killing a lot of people, but so does influenza, heart attacks, cancer, car crashes and so on. If it’s so bad then why did all of the extra facilities they set up around here barely had any people come in? One place with a 1000 beds had 200 and another one had 500 beds and only 9 were used. Then we have a very large hospital that totally closes and sends patients with covid somewhere else! I just don’t get it. What a mess.

I also think that we are just going to have to learn to live with this somehow and hopefully someday they can come up with a vaccine for it. I really do feel bad for people that have died from this. According to the CDC at least 24-64k people die in the US each year from the flu. Pretty wide range but I think the figures get skewed from non reporting issues and the same thing is happening with this covid 19.

They need to lighten up on some of the restrictions they have and yes, I do think we all need to keep a safe distance from each other for now. Hope the country can start getting back to work! Just my 2 cents worth and I hope everyone gets through this ok.

 

 

I saw on tv here that hospitals in NYC had (have?) patients lying in the hallways due to shortage of space... When hospitals in hot spots here started to overflow we moved patients around the country and even to another country. You folks should ask questions about why this aint happening for the people left in hallways...

Not sure where you saw that. The hospital that the Army set up in the Javits Center and the USN Hospital ShiComfort were definitely underutilized.

Emperor, uh Governor, Cuomo was very concerned (and rightly so) early on that the NYC hospital system would be overrun but that never happened.

 

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I live in the Detroit metro area and if you ask me this has been blown way out of proportion. Yes it it a bad virus and yes it has and still is killing a lot of people, but so does influenza, heart attacks, cancer, car crashes and so on. If it’s so bad then why did all of the extra facilities they set up around here barely had any people come in? One place with a 1000 beds had 200 and another one had 500 beds and only 9 were used. Then we have a very large hospital that totally closes and sends patients with covid somewhere else! I just don’t get it. What a mess.

I also think that we are just going to have to learn to live with this somehow and hopefully someday they can come up with a vaccine for it. I really do feel bad for people that have died from this. According to the CDC at least 24-64k people die in the US each year from the flu. Pretty wide range but I think the figures get skewed from non reporting issues and the same thing is happening with this covid 19.

They need to lighten up on some of the restrictions they have and yes, I do think we all need to keep a safe distance from each other for now. Hope the country can start getting back to work! Just my 2 cents worth and I hope everyone gets through this ok.

 

 

I saw on tv here that hospitals in NYC had (have?) patients lying in the hallways due to shortage of space... When hospitals in hot spots here started to overflow we moved patients around the country and even to another country. You folks should ask questions about why this aint happening for the people left in hallways...

 

I'm not sure how your media is in Europe, but here in the states our mainstream media (MSM) tries to present everything in the worst possible light, going for maximum shock and entertainment value.  There is very little accurate portrayal of the news here.  They are trying to shape people's opinions based on the directives of the billionaires who own the media companies.

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Got this emailed to me from a friend.  Fell on deaf ears.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSDC5L7qYUcjust

Thank you for posting this video. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. How can we hit the nail on head in 2005 and then 15 years later forget how to hit again?  I personally think we have done the best job we could with what was handed to us. There will always be good and bad decisions made depending who you ask. This could have killed millions and still might if we stop the social distancing to soon. I get the business end because I have been there through bad stuff in business......... but this is worse than anything I have seen or been up against in my lifetime. Flat out shutting the doors will destroy a business in short order. The Government reacted with stimulus........ nobody else in the past has done that. Did it fix it? maybe Not? but it was at least attempted.  I feel for everyone in these tough times but I feel the most for the first responders who didnt hesitate to react to whatever came there way. You may need to look that responder in the eye and say please help me.....I hope not.

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Overhere in the Netherlands we are starting to very, very slowly start working towards the "new normal". First changes will be reopening daycare and school for small kids. Apparantly kids hardly suffer and do not spread as much as teenagers and adults. This comes from a scientific report published today. Our prime minister will announce changes tonight on national tv. All other precautions like keeping distance, work from home, stay at home as much as possible and not being allowed to visit elderly homes will stay in effect. Also all entertainment remains closed as do shops where client and owner have physical contact with the exception of those that have enough protection like the dentist.

 

I saw the protesters in the US on the news here. Hospital personnel was blocking them. Those protesters.... I was going to write something bad but I wouldn't want to offend anybody  ;-) Hospital staff, esp. the ones working in the ICU, deserve a medal.

 

Stay safe everybody!

Vinnie,

We do have some idiots here that still believe this is all a hoax and not real. They say that nobody can tell them to stay home that this is America and you can't do that so they go out and gather in protests. Our only hope for people like that is they get the virus and will thin them out so that we have a better place to live.

The health care workers and workers at the grocery are the soldiers in this battle for sure. People staying away from them is the only thing we can do to help. We have had several of our retirement homes here get the virus in and once in it is difficult to control. I did not see a new number last night. Due to this being a big retirement area we do have lots of older people. 

Good to hear your area starting to come back to normal. Our stay at home has been extended two more weeks at least.

David... really

"Our only hope for people like that is they get the virus and will thin them out so that we have a better place to live."

 

While I do not agree with the protesters I sure as hell don't wish DEATH on them

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