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Like everyone is saying good that you are ok but that really sucks. 

When they take a hit like that it shifts the whole car or Z's it. Good frame shop can get it back if the body can take the stress. I know I was looking at a Mustang on the insurance yard here a few years back only had a few hundred miles on it. I made notes of what I would need to fix and since it was brand new went to the Ford dealer with my list. When the parts guy saw my list he questioned me. He had looked up the same parts for a shop in town. They had it on frame machine pulling and it ripped the whole floor pan into under the back seat. This was a brand new car so zero rust and solid. They totaled it on the frame machine was about a $700 cost for the original parts needed.

When they put on frame machine they usually clamp down using the pinch welds under the rockers. Interior is probably good thing to look at the floors.

A few years ago a member put the info up on the 72 H code vert in Grand Rapids that had been crashed and was on craigslist. I ended up buying the car and when I went to get it the owner told me the story. He had $37,000 insurance until two weeks before the crash that was not his fault hit in rear. He had dropped to $16,500. When the insurance settled with him they handed him the title back and gave him the car. They did not put SALVAGE on it so still a clean title. If totaled in most states it becomes a salvage title.

The way the cars are welded together the hit near the end of the LH frame rail goes into the firewall and floor pan. Can actually put a buckle in the roof and move windshield opening. 

I fixed my 1984 Mustang that X wife crashed and the front end was moved 4" to one side so way out. They got it back perfect. I pulled any badly damaged panels off before it went to the frame machine to prevent them from springing when I cut them off. Me and friend did it in 7 days and had to replace rad support and both inner front fenders, nose, bumper hood and both front fenders. 

You might want to look around the insurance online auctions I have seen 71 73 on there often. Might find one hit from side on rear and get good front end parts. 

You will be back I am sure.

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Thanks guys.  I got a message from the other guys insurance. They don’t think he has enough coverage to cover my car. What a surprise. They need more info from me and my insurance. Luckily part of my coverage has underinsured coverage in my policy. So I will give them a call tomorrow and see where to go from there.  The games begin already!

Did you call the police and was the other driver cited ?

 I did call the police but they would not respond to the scene since there were no injuries.  Other driver was not cited but did tell his insurance it was his fault. They are definitely at fault. He ran a stop sign at a T intersection. I had no stop sign and my road was straight through. He has insurance but not sure if he has enough to cover my car. I will find out more tomorrow. My insurance company will cover my car then probably go after his.

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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Aw Man, that sucks!  Glad everybody's OK, but Damn.  I'll bet it was a handful to drive home.

 

Hopefully, insurance works out and you can get started putting her back together ASAP.  After seeing the work you did on the yellow one, I just know it'll be better than new when you finish up.

 

Hang in there, Kevin!  ::thumb::

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So very sorry. But glad you are OK. Best of luck on resto of your Mustang!

 

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Shame you didn't say you had hurt your back, neck or knee, if the medics were called, Police would have attended,

 

I know we don't always think of these things at the time but it might have helped slamming the door shut on any insurance counterclaim.

 

I have never had any good experiences with insurance companies, Even after a claim has been settled you then have to declare at each renewal that you have been involved in previous accidents, and they will add on an extra premium :( (Well they do in the UK ).

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Thanks guys.  I got a message from the other guys insurance. They don’t think he has enough coverage to cover my car. What a surprise. They need more info from me and my insurance. Luckily part of my coverage has underinsured coverage in my policy. So I will give them a call tomorrow and see where to go from there.  The games begin already!

Did you call the police and was the other driver cited ?

 I did call the police but they would not respond to the scene since there were no injuries.  Other driver was not cited but did tell his insurance it was his fault. They are definitely at fault. He ran a stop sign at a T intersection. I had no stop sign and my road was straight through. He has insurance but not sure if he has enough to cover my car. I will find out more tomorrow. My insurance company will cover my car then probably go after his.

 

 

Glad you’re OK and man looking at your car hurts. Somebody would have to pick me up from the hospital or big house (Chuck/Ray).

 

I just went through this with my 2017. Your insurance will cover but then sue his for the rest. Eventually his insurance will settle.

 

Good luck to you.

 

 

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I got a few calls yesterday from the insurance people. The other guy is woefully under-insured. He's only insured for $5,000. That's the state minimum in PA. His insurance has admitted fault. My insurance is going to take care of everything and once the repairs are done they will go after his insurance company for the balance. So as long as the repairs are under $36,000 my car will be fixed. I'm pretty confident it will be fixed. I cant see more than $20-22k worth of damage at the max. They are sending out a classic car appraiser/adjuster this afternoon to take a look at it. I will let you guys know how it goes. This is first time in 15+ years of owning this car that we have had to use any insurance claim. So far the process has been very painless and my company has done a great job, I'm hoping that trend continues. My insurance company was just bought out by Hagerty this past fall and is in the process of fulling transitioning to Hagerty. So i hope that doesn't throw any wrenches into the claim process. But it has been very smooth thus far. I will let you guys know how it plays out!!

Kevin
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408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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Great to hear it’s going pretty good so far. I have Hagerty too and they were very good to me. The insurance adjuster was kind of a jerk, but I didn’t have to really deal with him. Your first estimate will be a lot lower than the the total will end up being. At least mine was by 10K. They missed a lot of stuff and had the cost of the paint only about half of what it cost.

As long as your damages are not more than 75% of your value of the the car, they won’t total it. I think your damage is very similar to what mine were. I ended up having about 24K in damages, which actually went over their 75% threshold, but they approved it anyway. The thing that does make it longer to get fixed is waiting for the adjuster and getting the supplements approved. Here’s a couple pics of my smashed front end.

 

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Great to hear it’s going pretty good so far. I have Hagerty too and they were very good to me. The insurance adjuster was kind of a jerk, but I didn’t have to really deal with him. Your first estimate will be a lot lower than the the total will end up being. At least mine was by 10K. They missed a lot of stuff and had the cost of the paint only about half of what it cost.

As long as your damages are not more than 75% of your value of the the car, they won’t total it. I think your damage is very similar to what mine were. I ended up having about 24K in damages, which actually went over their 75% threshold, but they approved it anyway. The thing that does make it longer to get fixed is waiting for the adjuster and getting the supplements approved. Here’s a couple pics of my smashed front end.

 

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Thanks for the heads up John. My insurance is still through my old company but Hagerty now owns them. It will completely switch over later this year. 

I specifically asked my insurance what the threshold was for totaling it, 75%, 80% ??? They said It was 100% of the agreed upon value of the car, which in my case is $36,000. I really hope that's true!! Either way its gonna be close.  But one way or another my car will be fixed. Thanks again for the info!!!

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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Hmm... 100%? Well maybe they changed their policy? Either way I’m sure they will cover the damage. That’s great news, sounds like it’s all going to work out.

Here’s a better pic of my car at the Mustang Craftsmen Shop. The first one was right before they replaced the front cross member. The insurance company only wanted them to pull it out, but the shop said no way, it needs to be replaced. The second one was after the rad core support and cross member was replaced. Anyway they really did a good job on my car.

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Looks Good John! Same exact thing my car will need by the looks of it. Its crazy how they both crunched up almost identical.

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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Ya very similar. The only big difference is that my fenders didn’t get much damage. The right side was saved and the left could have been but they got a new one. I didn’t care, it was a repo already. And my doors weren’t ajar either, they both opened and closed like before the accident. Hopefully that’s all the difference, but you mention that your shock tower looks moved. Mine wasn’t, but my motor mounts broke and my engine was pushed back about an inch.

Make sure that you don’t get rid of any of the hood latch support stuff. It’s not reproduced other than the hood latch, which amazingly, yours looks like it’s ok. And while I’m thinking about it when you get new turn signal lights, make sure they are wired correctly. I got what I thought was a bad light assembly, but it was wired wrong from the place that makes them. I got it from NPD, but I bet they are all made by the same supplier. I know that part is a ways down the road, but hopefully not to far.

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Thanks for the heads up John. My insurance is still through my old company but Hagerty now owns them. It will completely switch over later this year. 

I specifically asked my insurance what the threshold was for totaling it, 75%, 80% ??? They said It was 100% of the agreed upon value of the car, which in my case is $36,000. I really hope that's true!! Either way its gonna be close.  But one way or another my car will be fixed. Thanks again for the info!!!

 

That's how I have mine insured as well.  It's a separate classic car policy, but thru State Farm.  I don't know if Hagerty or Heacock has anything to do with them, but I'm pretty sure if mine were to suffer the same fate, I would have similar circumstances (full agreed upon value vs. the 75% threshold).

 

It definitely pays to have classic car specific insurance.

Eric

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Ya very similar. The only big difference is that my fenders didn’t get much damage. The right side was saved and the left could have been but they got a new one. I didn’t care, it was a repo already. And my doors weren’t ajar either, they both opened and closed like before the accident. Hopefully that’s all the difference, but you mention that your shock tower looks moved. Mine wasn’t, but my motor mounts broke and my engine was pushed back about an inch.

Make sure that you don’t get rid of any of the hood latch support stuff. It’s not reproduced other than the hood latch, which amazingly, yours looks like it’s ok. And while I’m thinking about it when you get new turn signal lights, make sure they are wired correctly. I got what I thought was a bad light assembly, but it was wired wrong from the place that makes them. I got it from NPD, but I bet they are all made by the same supplier. I know that part is a ways down the road, but hopefully not to far.

 

Thanks for the info. i found out about the lights being wired wrong also on the yellow mach 1 i did for a gentleman a couple years ago. So they have been making them wrong for a few years.

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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Just saw this thread, so sorry to hear and see these pic. Kinda hurts me inside to see the damage but the good thing is, is that you are ok and definitely have the skills and abilities to fix it. Good luck brother and it will all work out.

 

Tom

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Great to hear it’s going pretty good so far. I have Hagerty too and they were very good to me. The insurance adjuster was kind of a jerk, but I didn’t have to really deal with him. Your first estimate will be a lot lower than the the total will end up being. At least mine was by 10K. They missed a lot of stuff and had the cost of the paint only about half of what it cost.

As long as your damages are not more than 75% of your value of the the car, they won’t total it. I think your damage is very similar to what mine were. I ended up having about 24K in damages, which actually went over their 75% threshold, but they approved it anyway. The thing that does make it longer to get fixed is waiting for the adjuster and getting the supplements approved. Here’s a couple pics of my smashed front end.

 

0547-E2-A5-BD36-427-A-8255-55-B94-ED3-CD0-E.jpg

 

D75-D5-E15-59-A0-47-B6-8-DEE-AA1-B5-ECEB446.jpg

 

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Jpaz ..please ...we're sqeemish ... please dont show these again ... the last time was enough.. I needed therapy afterward. I'm still taking the pills. 

These images should be covered by the Surgeon general's warning ....DO NOT LOOK AT THESE, THEY CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH. 

Good god man, I didn't have the accident ...but when I opened the shot of the car welded to that post .. even I felt the crunch...and I'm 5000 miles away.  :whistling:

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The adjuster/appraiser came out yesterday afternoon. Not much info. He took lots of pics and crawled all over it. I explained to him how some of the damaged parts are not reproduced and he understood that. He asked for me to help produce a list of the damaged parts and where to get them. I'm glad he's letting me work with him on the estimate, it may save alot of trouble later down the line. I sent Don at OMS a BIG list and I'm sure i missed some stuff. I will keep you guys posted. He said i should hear from him next week.

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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The adjuster/appraiser came out yesterday afternoon.  Not much info. He took lots of pics and crawled all over it. I explained to him how some of the damaged parts are not reproduced and he understood that. He asked for me to help produce a list of the damaged parts and where to get them. I'm glad he's letting me work with him on the estimate, it may save alot of trouble later down the line. I sent Don at OMS a BIG list and I'm sure i missed some stuff.  I will keep you guys posted. He said i should hear from him next week.

 

That’s good to that the adjuster was asking about parts for it. That will for sure help speed up the process. The adjuster I had was one of those know it all guys and he didn’t know shit about my car. He missed so much stuff doing the initial estimate. He was 10K under the final, so it took longer to get all the supplements approved. Even the shop owner that did my car repairs said he was the worst adjuster he’s ever worked with. Sounds like your guy knows what he’s doing. 

Hey Kevin if I can help you out at all with any of this just let me know.

John - 72 Q Code

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Kevin, hope you had all your car show trophies on display when the adjuster came out.

You could have mixed in the kids karting and baseball ones too   :whistling: 

 

Look around the interior of the car at the plastic trim

Console mounts, pillar trim, door panels.

Things you may have hit with your body and not known it or things that cracked from the shock wave and being brittle.

Also the spoiler stands and mounts

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Kevin, hope you had all your car show trophies on display when the adjuster came out.

You could have mixed in the kids karting and baseball ones too   :whistling: 

 

Look around the interior of the car at the plastic trim

Console mounts, pillar trim, door panels.

Things you may have hit with your body and not known it or things that cracked from the shock wave and being brittle.

Also the spoiler stands and mounts

 

lollerz Thanks Don I should of done that!! Lol. I will take a look around it some more this weekend. I don’t remember seeing anything inside broke but I didn’t really look. Wasn’t much of an impact but it sure did crinkle the old girl!

Kevin
1971 Mach 1

408C Stroker - C4 w/3,000 stall - 8.8" Rear w/3.73's - Disc brakes all way around.

 

 

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You can get some parts off of this one, been seeing it on FB for about 2 months now, started at 35K, looks a lot like your car

 

guess the only way to link a fb page is to get creative. copy and past the 3 lines below in one motion

 

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One thing that could prevent this ever happening again is something most will not believe. I lived and worked in China for 17 months. When customers would come over they about had heart attacks when out in the vehicles. There are no stop signs in China. When you come to an intersection it is up to everyone to avoid you as you pull in. Yes they have a merge in lane to pull into. I never saw an accident the whole time I was there. Only rear end hits from being on phone or texting probably. 

We had to turn across three lanes on oncoming traffic to go to may apartment. You just went there was no light you just went head on into bumper to bumper traffic. Entirely different thought process but if for sure works there but too late for here.

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