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My car is going in for paint and need a hood paint stencil. Anybody got a used one to sell? There is many times a forum member points out one that is painted wrong. figured I would get one correct from the forum.

 

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my car just got back from the body shop and the hood graphics came out fantastic.  I supplied them with the stencil from graphics express and they came out great.     Compare that to David F

My painter didn’t use a stencil. But I made sure that he did it correct as possible. I went by measurements from others who have posted about it. Do a search and look for the most recent ones about ho

The stencil came from Graphics Express in Inverness,  Fl. Just Google them.  Came out great using David's reference measurements for locating the correct starting placement. 

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Hi,

My car is going in for paint and need a hood paint stencil. Anybody got a used one to sell? There is many times a forum member points out one that is painted wrong. figured I would get one correct from the forum.

 

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 Do a search for Carolina's or 7173Vert's original hood pictures and dimensions and just get it laid out. you really don't need a "stencil', none of then are good enough. I'm sure one of those guys will post their pics anyway if you wait.

There has been pages of posts on this subject.

Good luck, take your time and get it right.

Geoff.

 I learn something new every day!

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My painter didn’t use a stencil. But I made sure that he did it correct as possible. I went by measurements from others who have posted about it. Do a search and look for the most recent ones about hood blackout. Like Stanglover said, you don’t really need a stencil. 

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The part that most get wrong is the set back from the front and the corner radius used in front. I have done several post on the hood since I have an original. The width of the narrow strip around the outer edge is also something they do not get right.

I did a rub off on mylar for a member that was going to scan into CAD and get us a good stencil but the virus thing has delayed. 

I can do a rub off of the front radius and mail to you if you PM me your address. I do have a post with a scale on the hook so you can get that info by a search. 

Here is pic of the car so you know when you find my post. 

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Thanks guys for your help!

Just trying to make it easy and as simple stupid for the painter as possible. You know how it goes, if it isnt easy and fail proof it will go wrong.

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Thanks guys for your help! 

Just trying to make it easy and as simple stupid for the painter as possible. You know how it goes, if it isnt easy and fail proof it will go wrong.

And even when it is easy, it will often go wrong as well! ::devil:: :whistling:

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Thanks guys for your help! 

Just trying to make it easy and as simple stupid for the painter as possible. You know how it goes, if it isnt easy and fail proof it will go wrong.

And even when it is easy, it will often go wrong as well! ::devil:: :whistling:

No stinkin thinkin on my behalf please  :thankyouyellow:  lollerz

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my car just got back from the body shop and the hood graphics came out fantastic.  I supplied them with the stencil from graphics express and they came out great.  

 

Compare that to David Fowler's 73 unrestored original and it looks great.  

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Looks good Jim !!  What is the stencil # from Graphics?  If you would please. 

I still dont have my car back from the painters, its been 4 .5 months.  Might have to go with legal actions. You know.....take your money then give excuses as to why its not done.

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4 hours ago, machattack said:

Looks good Jim !!  What is the stencil # from Graphics?  If you would please. 

I still dont have my car back from the painters, its been 4 .5 months.  Might have to go with legal actions. You know.....take your money then give excuses as to why its not done.

That's called "paint jail" - good luck...

 

 

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6 hours ago, machattack said:

Looks good Jim !!  What is the stencil # from Graphics?  If you would please. 

I still dont have my car back from the painters, its been 4 .5 months.  Might have to go with legal actions. You know.....take your money then give excuses as to why its not done.

That happened to me and I had to get all my mustang parts out with a flashlight after the shop went out of business. 

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Same with me. I showed up one day to check on progress of a car I was having done and the place was dark. I went next door and asked that business what happened, and they told me he folded up a couple of weeks before. I told them my car was in there and the guy said the body shop owner said I might show up. The shop doors were unlocked and my keys were in the ignition. Any one could have taken it. They also hit my hood with a forklift getting their shop equipment out. One year and a lawsuit later, I got my money back.

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8 hours ago, machattack said:

Looks good Jim !!  What is the stencil # from Graphics?  If you would please. 

I still dont have my car back from the painters, its been 4 .5 months.  Might have to go with legal actions. You know.....take your money then give excuses as to why its not done.

The stencil came from Graphics Express in Inverness,  Fl. Just Google them.  Came out great using David's reference measurements for locating the correct starting placement. 

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Man, I think we all have horrible luck with painters. I found a guy to paint the car at his shop in his back yard. He lives in a sketchy area but has cameras and other security measures in place.  He was 2 to 3k cheaper than every shop i called and he gave me a 30 day turnaround and it was a color change to boot. So I gave him A shot solely based on his quick turnaround..  I checked with him every few days, which really irritated him, but I had to explain that he was working for me, not the other way around and I was protecting my investment by making sure he stayed focused and on schedule with my project.  Then the trouble struck. He had taken the fenders to the welder for repair and left them on his trailer in the front yard while he worked in the back yard and someone stole the trailer with my fenders on it. He was a good guy and replaced them with dynacorn fenders.  I didn't know how they would fit and others said they were ok. He did an excellent job on the paint and finished on time. But, he had zero talent for lining anything up straight or assembling the interior parts he removed. He put the door seals in and every single one was wrong and most of them he couldn't even figure out even with me supplying the assembly manual and many pictures. So I had to take it to another local specialty body shop to fix all the issues.  The dynacorn fenders could not be fixed and are pretty poor in fitment. They are too short, not wide enough on one side, the windshield reveal area doesn't line up, the bumper and lower valence area doesn't fit good.  Just so many issues that I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.  Im going to eventually have to find a set of original fenders to replace them.  Which sucks ass. But its done now and even with all those issues the car looks amazing.  

 

Decals go on next week then its done for a couple of years. 

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9 hours ago, machattack said:

Looks good Jim !!  What is the stencil # from Graphics?  If you would please. 

I still dont have my car back from the painters, its been 4 .5 months.  Might have to go with legal actions. You know.....take your money then give excuses as to why its not done.

heres a link to the stencil. 

 

https://www.graphic-express.com/1971-73-mustang-mach-1-nasa-naca-hood-paint-stencil-kit.html

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I had been told by a couple members that their template was not right. I need to order one and lay on my car and take pics to see for sure. I know one member contacted them about changing and they said people bought what they had and would not change. He took a rub off from me and got his cut from that. I do not know specifics but will find out. 

When a man is in the woods and talks and no women are there is he still wrong??:P

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4 hours ago, Hemikiller said:

That's called "paint jail" - good luck...

More like paint prison. My instincts told me not to go there but my pocket book said I had too :-( 

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21 minutes ago, Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs said:

I had been told by a couple members that their template was not right. I need to order one and lay on my car and take pics to see for sure. I know one member contacted them about changing and they said people bought what they had and would not change. He took a rub off from me and got his cut from that. I do not know specifics but will find out. 

I think the stencil is correct now based on the results I got.  Their instructions may be the issue because I think their measure of the center point didn't match up to yours. But using your position measurements I think it came out fantastic. 

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37 minutes ago, machattack said:

More like paint prison. My instincts told me not to go there but my pocket book said I had too :-( 

I really took a big risk leaving my car at the painters house for a month. Every time I went over there he had people in and out talking about jobs they wanted done and it made me very nervous.  He lives in the Hood of Central Orlando but in a better part, which is still horrible.  Too many people getting to see the car and it could have easily gone wrong.  Thats why I decided not to take it back to let him paint the hood graphics.  Plus it had to go get the entire front clip aligned and assembled properly.  He took no pictures and just threw all the screws in a box. He had no clue how to properly handle a job like this on a classic car. You have to bag and tag each set of fasteners for each part you remove with lots of pictures.  He didn't do any of that and it bit him in the ass big time.  I doubt he will do another old car. He did an excellent job on the paint though. I ended up paying another 1500 bucks to fix his assembly issues but it was still 2k less than the body shop would have charged me.

 

Even the good body shop has its issues.  I had to get them to re-align the trunk lid and they left tape on the door seals on the passenger side and they didn't clean up the excess glue. I have to take it back and get them to adjust the rear quarter window on the passenger side because the seat doesn't contact the roll up window and you can see right thru the gap. Plus I asked them to install the new TMI door panels and that was beyond their skill level apparently.  They put the clips going the wrong way and I even told them to switch the end the clip went in and they still said it was an inch off. So I told them I would deal with that. So today I put them on with zero issues.  Upon close examination of the panels you could see they put the clips on the wrong side of the hole and there was no evidence that they tried them the other side,  so they lied about that. I got them on and fitted in about an hour per side. I did have a to get creative getting the mirror control knob to fit but it wasn't difficult. When I got them on and told him about it he just said,  well were body guys, not interior guys. I wanted to tell him that I'm not a interior guy, just a stupid redneck driver and even I had no trouble getting them on. But I didn't want to be a dick head. 

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Dear lord,

Im glad you got your car back. I still gotta do that.

Sounds like the idiots I have working on mine. The owner of the shop was the body foreman for a large ford dealership here in town. My thoughts were he has to be good. What I should have been thinking hes a car salesman.......we all know what thats like. He lies continuously. He cant remember the last lie so he lies over the top of last one.

Good luck on your car!!  Sorry to vent on here.

 

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I can confirm the stencil is not correct as delivered (unless it has been revised, which I highly doubt...). It has to be cut to properly fit the hood. It is close, but not close enough... Just my .02 cents.

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10 hours ago, Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs said:

I had been told by a couple members that their template was not right. I need to order one and lay on my car and take pics to see for sure. I know one member contacted them about changing and they said people bought what they had and would not change. He took a rub off from me and got his cut from that. I do not know specifics but will find out. 

 When I did mine, my painter only used the Graphics Express template as a guide because he did not trust that paint would not bleed under the edges. He taped the shape with that plastic tape. The G/E template is set for 6" from the hood edge all the way down, back to front at the start of the curve. That actually improves the proportions to my eye, but the correct setting is more like 5 3/8" at the windshield to 5 9/16" at the start of the curve as seen in David's and 7173Vert's posted pictures. The front hood edge should follow the line of the hood and be 1 7/8 to 2 " from the TRIM piece, not the edge of the hood as in my case, which was on me for misinforming the painter.

NOTE: The hood pdf was done for my own reference and "borrowed from 7173Vert" The dimensions he added were very hard to make out, but what I have added is as close as possible. None of these were ever done exactly the same and many were at least a 1/4" off. Thanks Ken. I don't have David's dimensions, perhaps he can repost those.

 

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13 hours ago, machattack said:

Dear lord,

Im glad you got your car back. I still gotta do that.

Sounds like the idiots I have working on mine. The owner of the shop was the body foreman for a large ford dealership here in town. My thoughts were he has to be good. What I should have been thinking hes a car salesman.......we all know what thats like. He lies continuously. He cant remember the last lie so he lies over the top of last one.

Good luck on your car!!  Sorry to vent on here.

 

You know,  we all have to be on guard when dealing with anyone,  especially paint and body shops. The nature of their business is inherently crooked.  Same goes for mechanics.  The nature of their business is crooked and anyone that disagrees is kidding themselves.  The challenge is to find the least crooked people to work with and thats a never ending challenge.  You find an honest mechanic and he gets a ton of work.  Then he gets a taste of the money and it corrupts them. I have huge issues with the entire "Book Time " system that most of them play by. Its a total scam. Ive seen them do it myself.  They get 8 hours to drop and swap a transmission and they do it in 2 hours because they are very good at it. Then charge 8 hours to the customer.  Thats dishonest and crooked and should be criminal.  Thats what made me learn how to do most of my own work.  You have to these days or they will bleed you dry. 

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I'm so glad to hear that I'm not the only one who fell victim to a POS promise. when I had purchased my car I was a novice to what all needs to be looked at and how to spot a good deal. well i found my mach 1 from a seller up in Pennsylvania and I wasn't until i stumbled across this website that i learned what the "Salt Belt States" can really do to the undercarriage. I got the car for about $1900 then the guy says for an extra 2k i can have the rear fenders, wheel housing, gas tank, trunk floor. all that and a bag of chips repaired. I skipped the deal because I thought that sounds pretty steep. well low and behold I went along with this guy that was recommended from a family friend that he knew how to to do body work and could do it all in about a month for about $1000. I thought wow that's a great deal since apparently he is a body man. sure why not?

For over 1.5yrs later I kept calling for an update and the guy was dodging my calls and only every so often picking up saying that he's completed a partial but never gave me pictures... I finally went up to just drop in and see what all had been done the guy says ohh.. sorry man, some of the part like you're entire rear brake system went missing, gas lines too. or it was "ohh you gave me those parts? well I don't remember." I HAVE THE RECIEPTS... you think I have another mustang that needs these things? I ended up paying for the parts again because neither the owner of the shop or him took responsibility and of course young and dumb me then didn't have it in writing that I supplied said parts as requested from them. Few months later the guy just flat out ghosted me. So I just went up there with a tailor and was just going to pull the project without paying for anything and dip since they didnt have any of my information.

Here's the kicker... when I arrived it turns out that the "owner" was not the owner... it was his buddy whom was renting the a lot on a dealers property and the mechanic? what f*kin mechanic... it was just some guy that barely knew how to do mechanics and just posed as one. Ohh and the car? it was sitting inside the empty lot because they cleared out the shop months ago. The dealership was holding on to my car as a lien against them and if I wanted my car back I had to pay $1000.00 for a shitty job and to have it released. Never was able to track that POS. So here I am now with a half assed rear end job that I fixed all over AGAIN. Learned my lesson I'll pay double the local labor for a job I know can get done correctly and delivered as promised. 

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