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Well it's been a long time since the last update. There have been a couple of snags in getting the car going. First is finding the correct starter. The pocket in the V-6 bell housing is offset for a gear reduction starter. The starter that matches the bellhousing has a gear that will work well for an automatic or later model flywheel where the ring gear is on the clutch side of the flywheel. The ring gear on a '73 flywheel is on the engine side which causes the starter gear to be in constant mesh, not good for the starter. An old style bendix starter will not fit the bellhousing. The answer is a specialty gear reduction starter for the early manual transmission. I'll find out this weekend how it works. Second is the driveshaft. I sold the C-6 driveshaft to a member who needed it since it was too short anyway. The driveshaft needs to be 49" with my combination. I picked up a Fox body driveshaft from a local car club member (freebie, my favorite price). The issue is the fox shavt uses a 1330 u-joint and the rear yoke uses a 1310 joint. Heres the rub the 9" also uses 1-1/8" diameter caps instead of conventional 1-1/16" caps. I found a u-joint kit by Ford racing @ Summit which is a 1310/1330 combination joint with extra 1-1/8" caps. So all that stands between me and shifting my own gears is installing the starter, bypassing the wiring connector for the neutral safety switch, bypassing the seat belt warning connection to the NSS and having the d-shaft lengthened (install new tube). It's close!!! I hope to have the car running this weekend and hopefully the d-shaft built and installed next week (3-5 days for the shop). I hope to get a video of the first drive.

 

So what was your solution to the starter/flywheel ring gear problem? I am currently doing the exact same swap and am at the point of buying a mini starter and mocking things up. I was thinking of fabbing up a spacer for the starter if a suitable one cannot be found. Or possibly moving the ring gear to the clutch side of the flywheel. What did you end up doing?

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Well I found 2 issues, the late model starter would not work with my flywheel and the earlier model starter had too big a "register" ring for the V-6 block plate. My solution was an early 90's F150 manual transmission starter. It is PMGR (mini) starter with a large register ring. I took a 90* air grinder with a flap wheel and opened up the hole until the starter fit, it's about 1/16" larger than the hole.

 

My other issue was the starter not dis-engaging. Once a PMGR starter starts spinning it self energizes and returns slowly. The fix for this was to run the main power cable from the battery cable from the battery side of the original solenoid to the large connection on the starter. Then a 10 gauge wire from the output side of the original starter solenoid to the switch terminal of the new starter solenoid. That worked flawlessly and stopped the starter from dragging. I will not describe the way I wired it before as I don't want to muddy the issue.

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Well I found 2 issues, the late model starter would not work with my flywheel and the earlier model starter had too big a "register" ring for the V-6 block plate. My solution was an early 90's F150 manual transmission starter. It is PMGR (mini) starter with a large register ring. I took a 90* air grinder with a flap wheel and opened up the hole until the starter fit, it's about 1/16" larger than the hole.

 

My other issue was the starter not dis-engaging. Once a PMGR starter starts spinning it self energizes and returns slowly. The fix for this was to run the main power cable from the battery cable from the battery side of the original solenoid to the large connection on the starter. Then a 10 gauge wire from the output side of the original starter solenoid to the switch terminal of the new starter solenoid. That worked flawlessly and stopped the starter from dragging. I will not describe the way I wired it before as I don't want to muddy the issue.

 

Awesome. I would have bought the wrong starter for sure. Thanks! You have been driving it for a little while now, any other little gremlins show up?

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Just my home fabbed equalizer bar, a weld I didn't really like failed ai ended up on a flatbed headed for home and repairs. A new bar is in the works. I've got over 10k miles on the swap over the last 2 summers and still say it's the best mod I've ever done on any car I've had. :D

 

Enjoy your swap! I did have difficulty finding a shift lever that put the knob where I liked it. I'm kinda tall and like to sprawl out in the car. I moved the seats back 3". I fabbed the lever from a hunk of 1/2"X4"X12" aluminum.

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When I die I want to die like grandpa, peacefully in my sleep... not screaming, like his passengers. [/align]

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Hey Jeff! What about the parts list and templates, man??:P

 

P.S. Sorry for yet again digging this thread up;)

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you sure as Hell don't have time to do it right the second time.

 

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It is ok we forgive you lol!

 

 

Edit: This thread is neither vile nor moronic but it is a funny picture.

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97 F150: wrecked, 96 Dodge 4x4: blown motor / donated to the base

88 Suburban 4x4 355 cid 8 inch lift: sold, 95 Celica 5 speed : sold

68 F750 391 cid : sold,  96 F350 7.3 diesel dually : sold

86 Chevy 1500 305 cid c1500: sold, 73 Mustang mach 1 466 cid 5 speed : under construction

89 F350 4x4 cummins swap : sold, 64 Dodge d600: gone

00 Excursion: traded, 72 Mustang mach 1 302: scrapped

73 Mustang coupe: scrapped, 73 ranchero gt

06 Honda crf 450x : sold, 04 Honda vtx 1800

88 Bronco xlt lariat: sold, 76 Charger: traded

95 F350 4x4: sold , 91 Crown Victoria 302: sold

02 Dakota: traded, 96 f250 powerstroke: parts truck

87 f700, 98 e350 powerstroke: sold

03 land rover: traded, 95 f350 dually: part out

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97 f250: sold, 76 Maverick 302: sold

91 240sx rb25: sold, 86 firebird: sold

86 Trans Am: sold, 88 westernstar: sold

89 dodge d350: sold, 2000 Dakota 4x4: sold  

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The templates are in the trailer with my car in my friend's back yard under 4 feet of snow.

 

The parts list is in progress but i've been real busy!

 

Hey Auron, the thread may not be vile or moronic but watch out for the author! LOL :D

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We'll be waiting!

 

I'll show up at your house with an army of highschool girls and their hairdryers to melt that snow if i have to.:P

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, you sure as Hell don't have time to do it right the second time.

 

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Anything to melt the snow! :D

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Well... it's been 9 years and about 50k miles on this swap. I decided to pull the engine and trans to re-seal the engine and do some other work. I looked at the clutch and it looks pretty good for it's age. 

I'm going to add some photos of things I didn't document very well in this thread over the winter. There are tons of things to clean up and refresh. 

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