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I wanted to order my "Original Invoice" from marti but unfortunately he doesn't have it. Is there any other address where you can get this part?
Thanks Rene
 
I wanted to order my "Original Invoice" from marti but unfortunately he doesn't have it. Is there any other address where you can get this part?
Thanks Rene
G'day,
From what I believe, Marti Auto Works purchased all of the factory invoices that Lois Eminger had collected in her time at Ford and no one else has any. Unfortunately, it was never a complete set.
 
Hello Rene,
That is unusual for Marti not to have a copy of the original Ford invoice (The Eminger report). He has a Ford database ranging from 1967 to 2017. Lois Eminger worked for Ford Motor Company in the accounting dept. After the end of each production year, all the documents pertaining to that year were disposed of after Ford was through with them. Starting in 1967, with Ford's permission, she saved each production year's invoices and stored them for herself. Unfortunately, for the '65-66 Mustang collectors, those years were disposed of before she started saving the invoices. The logistics of managing this mountain of paperwork started to overwhelm her. Marti realized this type of info would make a great addition to his product line; the rest is history. This also means Marti is the only one with the documents needed to provide an "Emiger," standard, deluxe, or elite Marti reports or a reproduction window sticker. There is a "999" report from Ford that was originally free, but like everything else, there is now a charge. It's basically the same thing as the standard Marti report, and from what I've been told, it contains many inaccuracies. They are probably prepared by staff that is half the age of our Mustangs and are working with numbers and terminology they don't relate to.

As explained to me, after providing proof of ownership, Marti's staff pulls the original invoice, makes a copy of it, and mails the original to the owner. If there are subsequent owners who later request an invoice, they are offered a copy of the "copy" invoice. Without the invoice, Marti would have no way to produce a "Marti" report, as he has no other production information on these vehicles.
It would only be a guess, but the original owner may have requested an invoice, and it was sent without a copy being made, or a copy was made, and it was misfiled. (It happens)!
It might be worthwhile to check back with them to see if their system would have a record of any information request involving your VIN.
 
Hello Rene,
That is unusual for Marti not to have a copy of the original Ford invoice (The Eminger report). He has a Ford database ranging from 1967 to 2017. Lois Eminger worked for Ford Motor Company in the accounting dept. After the end of each production year, all the documents pertaining to that year were disposed of after Ford was through with them. Starting in 1967, with Ford's permission, she saved each production year's invoices and stored them for herself. Unfortunately, for the '65-66 Mustang collectors, those years were disposed of before she started saving the invoices. The logistics of managing this mountain of paperwork started to overwhelm her. Marti realized this type of info would make a great addition to his product line; the rest is history. This also means Marti is the only one with the documents needed to provide an "Emiger," standard, deluxe, or elite Marti reports or a reproduction window sticker. There is a "999" report from Ford that was originally free, but like everything else, there is now a charge. It's basically the same thing as the standard Marti report, and from what I've been told, it contains many inaccuracies. They are probably prepared by staff that is half the age of our Mustangs and are working with numbers and terminology they don't relate to.

As explained to me, after providing proof of ownership, Marti's staff pulls the original invoice, makes a copy of it, and mails the original to the owner. If there are subsequent owners who later request an invoice, they are offered a copy of the "copy" invoice. Without the invoice, Marti would have no way to produce a "Marti" report, as he has no other production information on these vehicles.
It would only be a guess, but the original owner may have requested an invoice, and it was sent without a copy being made, or a copy was made, and it was misfiled. (It happens)!
It might be worthwhile to check back with them to see if their system would have a record of any information request involving your VIN.
good idea, then i will contact marti again. thanks for your help.

Actually, I can't understand it either because Marti wrote to me when I bought the Deluxe Report that they still had the "Original Invoice" from my car and when I ordered it they said "Unfortunately, we were unable to locate the Ford original invoice".

??? :oops:
 
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The answer to this question is fairly simple. As I understand it, there were three original invoices: one that went on the window, one that stayed at the dealership (which was tossed years ago), and one that stayed in a filing cabinet in Dearborn. Ford was going to toss the filing cabinets and Lois Eminger (who worked there) knew that the invoices were important to the history of the car, so she asked for the cabinets. I don't know whether or not she paid anything for them (probably not) but she made a nice little business selling them to car owners. I have seen the price of these invoices climb from $15 to $55 since they became available. Inflation!

Sometimes the invoices were lost by the people who bought them, and once they were gone, they were gone. Luckily, at some point, Lois started making black and white photocopies of the invoices before they went out, and I have two such copies posted below for cars I own. One even had the address of who it was sent to. Amazingly. I googled that guy and called him after owning the car for over twenty years. He said he had lost the invoice but still had the original motor. Unfortunately he wanted a fortune for the motor (which he had rebuilt), so I decided to pass on it.

The other invoice is for my uber rare 1972 R code convertible. How I would love to have that invoice! I'd pay like $500 to anyone who has it, but I'm sure it is lost. At least I have the old black and white grainy copy of it. That photocopy may not even be available to people looking for their invoice. I don't know if Marti still sends or has them.

Marti made it clear to me in a phone conversation years ago that he would no longer disclose who an invoice was sent to. According to Marti, that practice has led to "bad blood" between people who hold the invoice and people who own the car. I believe the invoice belongs with the car and its owner. Apparently situations have occurred where certain people would want to sell the invoice for large sums of money to the car's new or rightful owner. And that brings up my next point.

There is at least one individual that I know of who hoarded invoices years ago for bragging rights or to sell them at a profit to future owners. That individual (who will remain nameless) developed a friendship with Lois so he could randomly call her and ask her for invoices on cars that he lied about and said he had purchased, just so he could keep the invoices for himself and use them for personal gain. Luckily Marti now requires proof of ownership to purchase the invoice.

This individual only did these greedy and dishonest things for some of the rarest cars out there. We are talking about some of the highest optioned 1971 Mustangs ever made, and even Shelby Mustangs. A friend of mine bought one such car and came to find out that this individual had the invoice not because he had owned the car, but because he had asked Lois for the invoice and she gave it to him. My friend had to "guilt" this individual into coughing up the invoice. And now that invoice resides with an owner who is well known and posts frequently to this site
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The answer to this question is fairly simple. As I understand it, there were three original invoices: one that went on the window, one that stayed at the dealership (which was tossed years ago), and one that stayed in a filing cabinet in Dearborn. Ford was going to toss the filing cabinets and Lois Eminger (who worked there) knew that the invoices were important to the history of the car, so she asked for the cabinets. I don't know whether or not she paid anything for them (probably not) but she made a nice little business selling them to car owners. I have seen the price of these invoices climb from $15 to $55 since they became available. Inflation!

Unfortunately, sometimes the invoices were lost by the people who bought them, and once they were gone, they were gone. Luckily, at some point, Lois started making black and white photocopies of the invoices before they went out, and I have two such copies posted below for cars I own. One even had the address of who it was sent to. Amazingly. I googled that guy and called him after owning the car for over twenty years. He said he had lost the invoice but still had the original motor.

Unfortunately he wanted a fortune for the motor (which he had rebuilt), so I decided to pass on it. The other invoice is for my uber rare 1972 R code convertible. How I would love to have that invoice. I'd pay like $500 to anyone who has it, but I'm sure it is lost. At least I have the old black and white grainy copy of it. That photocopy may not even be available to people looking for their invoice. I don't know if Marti still sends or has them.

Marti made it clear to me in a phone conversation years ago that he would no longer disclose who an invoice was sent to. According to Marti, that practice has led to "bad blood" between people who hold the invoice and people who own the car. I believe the invoice belongs with the car and its owner. Apparently situations have occurredView attachment 70648View attachment 70649View attachment 70650 where certain people would want to sell the invoice for large sums of money to the car's new or rightful owner. And that brings up my next point.

There is at least one individual that I know of who hoarded invoices years ago for bragging rights or to sell them at a profit to future owners. That individual (who will remain nameless) developed a friendship with Lois just so he could randomly call her and ask her for invoices on cars that he lied and said he had purchased, just so he could keep the invoices for himself and use them for personal gain. Luckily Marti now requires proof of ownership to purchase the invoice.

This individual only did these greedy and dishonest things for some of the rarest cars out there. We are talking about some of the highest optioned 1971 Mustangs ever made, and even Shelby Mustangs. A friend of mine bought one such car and came to find out that this individual had the invoice not because he had owned the car, but because he had asked Lois for the invoice. My friend had to "guilt" this individual into coughing up the invoice. And now that invoice resides with an owner who is well known and posts frequently to this site.
thank you for the story and the photos.... yes, the dear money...
 
Roland this is very cool..... I'm searching this for my Car....
 
Does anyone know an email address for Marti, i can't find anything on his homepage.
 
Try [email protected]

But Marti will not have the dealer invoice Roland has. You can contact the dealer that sold the car, but they threw those things out many years ago.

the idea is good but unfortunately the dealer who sold my car no longer exists.... but thanks for the Mail-Adress.
 
Wow. That is a nice option list Roland. Very cool to have that paperwork!
I do have all original Dealer Paperwork, incl warranty facts, owner card, buildsheet, consumer information, autolite ratio computer, emissions systems warranty, ibm card, certificate of title for transfer, official Ford recalls letter, starting instructions, Ford 6000 Mile oil advice, also the plastic envelope with original owners manual! Also the installment loan from the first national bank, he paid monthly $100!! 🙏 this car was a survivor, and the best documented Mustang I ever had, have!
 
Roland this is very cool..... I'm searching this for my Car....
This is all paperwork from the first owner, I‘m the third.
 
The other invoice is for my uber rare 1972 R code convertible. How I would love to have that invoice! I'd pay like $500 to anyone who has it, but I'm sure it is lost. At least I have the old black and white grainy copy of it.

Hey Kevin,
Is that the convertible I sold to someone else back in 1998? The one that desperately needed restoration back then even but I had no idea what it was at the time? Glad to see you at least found a copy of the invoice. Did you ever get the original Marti report? How is the restoration coming along? It's going to be one pretty car when it's done I'm sure.

Asa Jay
 
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