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Hi all,

Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.

Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?

(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4

- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k34-227-4?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiArqKmBRCOj_qfmuqinnYSJAAkAYwGElB1SvJLb6Og7Xk-mMC6AM--ArVx_xpSSZGMj8zKAxoCTVDw_wcB

Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)

I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?

 
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Hi all,

Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.

Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?

(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4

- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k34-227-4?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiArqKmBRCOj_qfmuqinnYSJAAkAYwGElB1SvJLb6Og7Xk-mMC6AM--ArVx_xpSSZGMj8zKAxoCTVDw_wcB

Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)

I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?
I would use a split duration cam. Something like this from Lunati. I am sure you can get something similar from Comp. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-80460lk

I prefer Quick Fuel carbs but the Summit one should work fine. 750 cfm is good.

DO NOT USE A STEALTH INTAKE. An Edelbrock Perfomer RPM will have much better drivability.

If you have access to a cheap stock 460 rotating assembly in good condition use it. Ford made a fuelie piston with a 15cc dish which will give you a compression ratio of around 9.5:1 with the small chamber heads with the block 0 decked. However, if you have to buy a crank and pistons I would seriously consider a packaged stroker kit.

Make sure to use a pre 72 (straight up) timing set. I like the FRPP 9 way adjustable.

A recurved duraspark is a good budget electronic ignition.

Heads should be gone through and the valves replaced. Basic port work on the heads can be worth 30-50 hp.

 

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opethlike,

Is there any issues with the 429 engine? It is not cheap to re-build a Ford motor anymore!

429-4V 385 Series V8 360 hp (270 kW) @ 4600 rpm 480 lb·ft (651 N·m) @ 3400 rpm 4-barrel 10.50:1 4.36" x 3.59" N

Since the 429 already makes 360 hp, and if your budget allows, plus the report from the machine is good, install Speed-Pro Forged Pistons L2366F30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-l2366f30/overview/make/ford

I was going to recommend the roller cam conversion, but, dog gone it, there are expensive kits. May you should invest in a good set of roller rockers. Maybe you can take the cylinder heads and work them to improve the air flow.

Also, if you can, try to get this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Performance-Pat-Ganahl/dp/1884089275

It is one of the best Ford performance books out there. IMO, the stock 1970-1971 429's were beasts to start with. It is the later models that Government got a hold of them.

mustang7173


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Hi all,

Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.

Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?

(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4

- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k34-227-4?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiArqKmBRCOj_qfmuqinnYSJAAkAYwGElB1SvJLb6Og7Xk-mMC6AM--ArVx_xpSSZGMj8zKAxoCTVDw_wcB

Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)

I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?


Hi all,

Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.

Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?

(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4

- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k34-227-4?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiArqKmBRCOj_qfmuqinnYSJAAkAYwGElB1SvJLb6Og7Xk-mMC6AM--ArVx_xpSSZGMj8zKAxoCTVDw_wcB

Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)

I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?
 
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Is there any issues with the 429 engine? It is not cheap to re-build a Ford motor anymore!

429-4V 385 Series V8 360 hp (270 kW) @ 4600 rpm 480 lb·ft (651 N·m) @ 3400 rpm 4-barrel 10.50:1 4.36" x 3.59" N

Since the 429 already makes 360 hp, and if your budget allows, plus the report from the machine is good, install Speed-Pro Forged Pistons L2366F30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-l2366f30/overview/make/ford

I was going to recommend the roller cam conversion, but, dog gone it, there are expensive kits. May you should invest in a good set of roller rockers. Maybe you can take the cylinder heads and work them to improve the air flow.

Also, if you can, try to get this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Performance-Pat-Ganahl/dp/1884089275

It is one of the best Ford performance books out there. IMO, the stock 1970-1971 429's were beasts to start with. It is the later models that Government got a hold of them.

mustang7173
Hey thanks for the reply man. You mean I should consider just going with the 429? I just figured putting that 460 crank in there was free horsepower, maybe not idk.

Yea I got a book someone else recommended "how to rebuild your big block ford" or named something similar. Its pretty detailed.

I do know a guy local that says he knows how to work the D0VE heads to make them flow great, something about the exhaust port I think I dunno.



Hi all,

Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.

Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?

(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4

- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k34-227-4?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiArqKmBRCOj_qfmuqinnYSJAAkAYwGElB1SvJLb6Og7Xk-mMC6AM--ArVx_xpSSZGMj8zKAxoCTVDw_wcB

Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)

I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?
I would use a split duration cam. Something like this from Lunati. I am sure you can get something similar from Comp. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-80460lk

I prefer Quick Fuel carbs but the Summit one should work fine. 750 cfm is good.

DO NOT USE A STEALTH INTAKE. An Edelbrock Perfomer RPM will have much better drivability.

If you have access to a cheap stock 460 rotating assembly in good condition use it. Ford made a fuelie piston with a 15cc dish which will give you a compression ratio of around 9.5:1 with the small chamber heads with the block 0 decked. However, if you have to buy a crank and pistons I would seriously consider a packaged stroker kit.

Make sure to use a pre 72 (straight up) timing set. I like the FRPP 9 way adjustable.

A recurved duraspark is a good budget electronic ignition.

Heads should be gone through and the valves replaced. Basic port work on the heads can be worth 30-50 hp.
Thanks for the reply man! Great info.

What do you mean by straight up timing set?

I do know a rotating 460 local, dude wants 250 for it which I feel is a bit steep but maybe not. You saying I should reuse those pistons?

Sorry for the dumb questions, learning as I go here.

 
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It will be able to drive in more than a straight line man lol.

And yea I am well aware of all that, I am not asking about that. This is not "should i put big block in my mustang or not" thread. not really trying to get deep into the weeds there, just want to talk about engine build.
Ok.. then I misunderstood your post thought you wanted to know everything your going to need not just the "engine" part of the equation & thought you wanted to know if it was a good path to follow building a 429 vs ? ..Best of luck with the build.

 

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You are correct in that the 460 crank will be free HP (read that TORQUE).

Keep in mind that the 429 and 460 share the same pistons and rods. The difference is in the stroke of the crankshaft. So, you can use the 460 crank along with the 429 rods and pistons. They also share the same blocks and heads (at least as it relates to the D0VE-Cs).

You can go to my garage and see ALL the parts I utilized in building my 472 (429 block bored .060 over with 460 crank) 1973 Grande. This motor easily makes in excess of 500HP and has a TREMENDOUS amount of torque which is what you need on the street. HP is actually overrated (on the street) in my opinion:).

BT

 

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I thought the compression height of the pistons differed between 429's and 460's?

The rods are the same and so is the deck height of the block, so to accommodate the different strokes, the piston pin is in a different spot...

I will also urge you to spend some time here:

http://www.460ford.com/forum/

The stickys have basic recipes for power levels and you can see what kind of components you'll need to reach your goals....

 

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You are correct in that the 460 crank will be free HP (read that TORQUE).

Keep in mind that the 429 and 460 share the same pistons and rods. The difference is in the stroke of the crankshaft. So, you can use the 460 crank along with the 429 rods and pistons. They also share the same blocks and heads (at least as it relates to the D0VE-Cs).

You can go to my garage and see ALL the parts I utilized in building my 472 (429 block bored .060 over with 460 crank) 1973 Grande. This motor easily makes in excess of 500HP and has a TREMENDOUS amount of torque which is what you need on the street. HP is actually overrated (on the street) in my opinion:).

BT
BT,

If I am not mistaken I believe the 429 piston is a different compression height and will not interchange.

TK



Is there any issues with the 429 engine? It is not cheap to re-build a Ford motor anymore!

429-4V 385 Series V8 360 hp (270 kW) @ 4600 rpm 480 lb·ft (651 N·m) @ 3400 rpm 4-barrel 10.50:1 4.36" x 3.59" N

Since the 429 already makes 360 hp, and if your budget allows, plus the report from the machine is good, install Speed-Pro Forged Pistons L2366F30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-l2366f30/overview/make/ford

I was going to recommend the roller cam conversion, but, dog gone it, there are expensive kits. May you should invest in a good set of roller rockers. Maybe you can take the cylinder heads and work them to improve the air flow.

Also, if you can, try to get this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Performance-Pat-Ganahl/dp/1884089275

It is one of the best Ford performance books out there. IMO, the stock 1970-1971 429's were beasts to start with. It is the later models that Government got a hold of them.

mustang7173
Hey thanks for the reply man. You mean I should consider just going with the 429? I just figured putting that 460 crank in there was free horsepower, maybe not idk.

Yea I got a book someone else recommended "how to rebuild your big block ford" or named something similar. Its pretty detailed.

I do know a guy local that says he knows how to work the D0VE heads to make them flow great, something about the exhaust port I think I dunno.



Hi all,

Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.

Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?

(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4

- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k34-227-4?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiArqKmBRCOj_qfmuqinnYSJAAkAYwGElB1SvJLb6Og7Xk-mMC6AM--ArVx_xpSSZGMj8zKAxoCTVDw_wcB

Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)

I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?
I would use a split duration cam. Something like this from Lunati. I am sure you can get something similar from Comp. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-80460lk

I prefer Quick Fuel carbs but the Summit one should work fine. 750 cfm is good.

DO NOT USE A STEALTH INTAKE. An Edelbrock Perfomer RPM will have much better drivability.

If you have access to a cheap stock 460 rotating assembly in good condition use it. Ford made a fuelie piston with a 15cc dish which will give you a compression ratio of around 9.5:1 with the small chamber heads with the block 0 decked. However, if you have to buy a crank and pistons I would seriously consider a packaged stroker kit.

Make sure to use a pre 72 (straight up) timing set. I like the FRPP 9 way adjustable.

A recurved duraspark is a good budget electronic ignition.

Heads should be gone through and the valves replaced. Basic port work on the heads can be worth 30-50 hp.
Thanks for the reply man! Great info.

What do you mean by straight up timing set?

I do know a rotating 460 local, dude wants 250 for it which I feel is a bit steep but maybe not. You saying I should reuse those pistons?

Sorry for the dumb questions, learning as I go here.
It would depend on what dish those pistons have (to acheive proper compression ratio) and how the bores in the block measure as to whether you can use the pistons. If it were me I would plan on having the block bored .030 over and buying pistons with the correct compression height and dish. You will also want to know if the crank you are buying is an internal balance crank or an external balance crank.

Carb'd 429/460 engines made after 1971 used a timing chain set with camshaft retard built in for emmissions reasons. Not good for performance.

 
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Yes Tommy, you and mjlan are correct in that the pistons are different.

BT

 

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Heck, I'd just leave it 429.

If ya find a decent 460 smogger, apply the same heads (C8VE's or the DOVE's) with the stock pistons, and have at it.

My 460 is just that. Stock '76ish Lincoln 460 bottom, C8 heads with mild port work, SS valves, Harland Sharp roller rockers, Lunati 00093 cam and (yet to be determined intake, either standard Performer or Stealth, both of which I have already).

Streetable, 9.something to one compression.

Low budget.

Headers are still in question. I have not heard of a decent, well fitting, affordable set yet. General consensus has it that all seem to require "minor clearancing", or sit too low for these Western PA streets..... I refuse to thump on any headers that cost as much as the engine build.

No, ain't gonna do it.

Overthinking not required. If budget is concerned, just keep it simple.

Save your money for spare rear tires :)

 

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You might want to look at that engine closer if it came out of a Lincoln. Lincoln did not use the 429, only the 460. 429 went up to the Mercury line only.

-Kurt

 
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You might want to look at that engine closer if it came out of a Lincoln. Lincoln did not use the 429, only the 460. 429 went up to the Mercury line only.

-Kurt
I you are right, I said Lincoln but I went back to look at the air cleaner sticker and its a Mercury.

 
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