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Hi to all,

One of the many parts you can't get for '71 to '73 Mustangs are the original door to pillar rubber bellows that let the electric wiring for power windows and speaker link ups happen. These rubber bellows link the front door and the pillar which goes into the cabin of the car.

I know that recently a Forum member found some rubbers that came close in size,and could be used effectively,but were on the thin side. Well my news is good, because by accident, i stumbled on a find recently that lets you get hold of door rubber to pillar bellows that are almost the same as the original 123 Mustang ones. These rubbers are from Ford Mustangs from 1979 to 1993 i believe. I ordered two and had them shipped to Australia. At the same time a private seller on E Bay, was selling only one original 1973 door rubber bellow in mint condition for $54.00 Au. I bought it and recently made an accurate comparison between the original Ford factory bellow and the '79/'93 ones.

The stats are as follows - Overall length = the same. Thickness = '79 was 1 and 9/16 thick while '73 was 1 and 7/16 thick. Hole diameter drill out for door was '79 2 inches and ''73 1 and 7/8 inches. Hole diameter for pillar drill out was '79 1 and 5/8 inches and '73 1 and 1/4 inches. So your hole for the pillar drill out will be a little larger for the '79 bellow than the '73 bellow. The door drill outs are virtually the same. The conclusion is, that these rubbers will fit the bill very well if you end up needing to buy this type of door rubber. Mine were in very good used condition, but will need some cleaning and detailing up before i use them, just to get some dirt off them. Both ends of the bellows have sealing grommet lips to slip straight into the drilled out holes for good weather seal out. I have not yet gone ahead and tried to install any wiring that would make me use the rubbers at this stage, so sorry, i can't give any accurate info on how the rubber bellows install would go precisely.

OK, the company that sells these door rubbers is called Encore MPW. They deal in all types of Mustang parts for between 1979 to 2004 and stock the door bellows as i described above. See references below. They do have plenty in stock, but could i appeal to any Forum member not to bulk buy these rubbers for they are a second hand part and are not in limitless supply.

That's about it. These rubbers should work great until someone comes along and produces new repro ones for our market.

References -

THE COMPANY.

http://store.encorempw.com/about-us.aspx

THE PARTS.

http://store.encorempw.com/1979-1993doortopillarbellow.aspx

THE PICS. ('73 rubber is the clean one)

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The measurements i provided above should be accurate. I used a vernier caliper to get them. However, before any drilling out of the doors or pillars takes place, you should experiment by test drilling holes in scrap auto sheet metal first, and try fitting the rubbers in those test holes to see what kind of a fit you will get. Also, trying pulling fairly hard on the rubbers to make sure they will not pop out easily from the drilled holes.That's super important when you think about it, because you don't want the rubber bellows popping out of the holes easily in real life, and also, if you drilled the wrong sized hole on your car, you'll be in real trouble to try and rectify that problem as well. You shouldn't need any lubricant when pushing in the rubber bellows, as the lube will only make it easier for the bellows to pop out when under any stretching when the door is opened. Experimenting first is the important key here.

Many thanks,

Greg.:)

 
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Hi to all,

One of the many parts you can't get for '71 to '73 Mustangs are the original door to pillar rubber bellows that let the electric wiring for power windows and speaker link ups happen. These rubber bellows link the front door and the pillar which goes into the cabin of the car.

I know that recently a Forum member found some rubbers that came close in size,and could be used effectively,but were on the thin side. Well my news is good, because by accident, i stumbled on a find recently that lets you get hold of door rubber to pillar bellows that are almost the same as the original 123 Mustang ones. These rubbers are from Ford Mustangs from 1979 to 1993 i believe. I ordered two and had them shipped to Australia. At the same time a private seller on E Bay, was selling only one original 1973 door rubber bellow in mint condition for $54.00 Au. I bought it and recently made an accurate comparison between the original Ford factory bellow and the '79/'93 ones.

The stats are as follows - Overall length = the same. Thickness = '79 was 1 and 9/16 thick while '73 was 1 and 7/16 thick. Hole diameter drill out for door was '79 2 inches and ''73 1 and 7/8 inches. Hole diameter for pillar drill out was '79 1 and 5/8 inches and '73 1 and 1/4 inches. So your hole for the pillar drill out will be a little larger for the '79 bellow than the '73 bellow. The door drill outs are virtually the same. The conclusion is, that these rubbers will fit the bill very well if you end up needing to buy this type of door rubber. Mine were in very good used condition, but will need some cleaning and detailing up before i use them, just to get some dirt off them. Both ends of the bellows have sealing grommet lips to slip straight into the drilled out holes for good weather seal out. I have not yet gone ahead and tried to install any wiring that would make me use the rubbers at this stage, so sorry, i can't give any accurate info on how the rubber bellows install would go precisely.

OK, the company that sells these door rubbers is called Encore MPW. They deal in all types of Mustang parts for between 1979 to 2004 and stock the door bellows as i described above. See references below. They do have plenty in stock, but could i appeal to any Forum member not to bulk buy these rubbers for they are a second hand part and are not in limitless supply.

That's about it. These rubbers should work great until someone comes along and produces new repro ones for our market.

References -

THE COMPANY.

http://store.encorempw.com/about-us.aspx

THE PARTS.

http://store.encorempw.com/1979-1993doortopillarbellow.aspx

THE PICS. ('73 rubber is the clean one)

AUSTIN'S HANDY INSTALL TIP -

The measurements i provided above should be accurate. I used a vernier caliper to get them. However, before any drilling out of the doors or pillars takes place, you should experiment by test drilling holes in scrap auto sheet metal first, and try fitting the rubbers in those test holes to see what kind of a fit you will get. Also, trying pulling fairly hard on the rubbers to make sure they will not pop out easily from the drilled holes.That's super important when you think about it, because you don't want the rubber bellows popping out of the holes easily in real life, and also, if you drilled the wrong sized hole on your car, you'll be in real trouble to try and rectify that problem as well. You shouldn't need any lubricant when pushing in the rubber bellows, as the lube will only make it easier for the bellows to pop out when under any stretching when the door is opened. Experimenting first is the important key here.

Many thanks,

Greg.:)
I found these guys several months ago but they would never reply to my inquiries. I found a picture on the net checked where it was from and it was them. They also have eBay stuff but they never answered about the diameters of the ends of the bellows.

 

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This supplier is about 30 minutes from me. I have been there. They specialize in used Fox body parts. It is run buy several young kids and they may or may not be there when you arrive. Their prices aren't the greatest, but they have Fox body parts if you need them.

 

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For he's a jolly good bellows, for he's a jolly good bellows...:wavemulticolor:

Sorry. Back to your regular programing.

 

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well mine are gone, so these are going in I'll let you know if there are any complications.

 
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Thank you. I purchased the 79 bellows for my doors.
Hi Tony,

Hope they work OK for you. Don't forget to try and do a test drill out for both ends of the bellows in panel steel first to check on the holding power of the bellows to the steel panels. When i drilled out my car following my given hole diameter measurements, i found one hole tended to let the bellow ease it's way out from opening the door several times.This would have been caused by one of the bellow ends being a slightly different size due to ageing and shrinking issues maybe.  To rectify and get around this problem, i had to end up using a urathane adhesive like Sikaflex to hard glue the bellow into the door.That worked very well, and solved the problem.

You may find through trial and error testing, that choosing a slightly smaller diameter hole drill, will be to your advantage giving you more bellow gripping or holding power.

UPDATE. Sorry Tony, I forgot to mention that i found, and you should also find very small factory punch spike position dimples in the door skin and the pillar skin that show you where to drill your holes for the bellows. Look hard and you should find them.

Many thanks,

Greg. :)

 
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