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Currently equipped with 351C 4V 4BM, .060 over, roller cam, Sanderson block huggers, -AC
and thinks he has a gold mine

Yup, sharp one owner for sure. Maybe his backhoe could straighten it out for an extra $500?
 

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1972 Ford Mustang Mach 1 bright red, standard black interior,pb,ps
gauge package.rim blow steering wheel,15" magnum 500s,351 C 2bbl running a 4bbl Holley 600,MSD 6a with stock distributor and Pertronix,Comp cam mild grind, The Engine(rebuilt by me in 2002 for the second time the first rebuild I did was stock in 1995) made 305hp and 358 lb ft on the dyno. 9" 2.75 rear end,Global west sub frame connectors,620 front coils.Rear defroster. My parents bought my car brand new the year before I was born. I cherish it like my child.
This ad just settled it for me, we are all living in a clown World.

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I'd hate to even offer ONE DOLLAR, I might end up with pile of scrap even a scrap yard wouldn't take and it would cost me big bucks to ship it. No thanks.
I guess he thinks the title and VIN are worth it.
 

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Well, it does have the rare CalCustom racing steering wheel...
 

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Stop the presses. It sold for $15,660! I am stunned.

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There are a lot of people doing coupe to fastback conversions. You can buy a full conversion kit for about $6500, and all you need is a not too good coupe, as you will need to replace most of the sheet metal from the front windshield back. They probably only want the vin numbers and title to use on a converted fastback. If you can save the block and reuse the trans and rear end, you will have a numbers matching 390 S code A/C fastback for pennies on the dollar, but a ton of work...
 

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There are a lot of people doing coupe to fastback conversions. You can buy a full conversion kit for about $6500, and all you need is a not too good coupe, as you will need to replace most of the sheet metal from the front windshield back. They probably only want the vin numbers and title to use on a converted fastback. If you can save the block and reuse the trans and rear end, you will have a numbers matching 390 S code A/C fastback for pennies on the dollar, but a ton of work...
As described it will never be numbers matching, more like fraud…
 

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1970 Sportsroof #2 almost as long
1971 Sportsroof M-code #3 needs money
2008 GT #4 where the money went
Or a Dynacorn shell...
 
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With all due respect to the buyer, it this is legit, WTF??? I can't see much of anything there. The carb seems melted so it appears to have been in a fire. I never would have thought that a VIN could be worth $15k? The VIN number may be encapsulated inside a melted dashpad!
 
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I have seen people selling the dash vin number tag and the matching title to it for thousands of dollars for rare muscle cars, happens all the time on eBay. I have even reported the ads to eBay to no avail... Last one I saw was for a BOSS 351. I think it went for like 3 grand.
 

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With all due respect to the buyer, it this is legit, WTF??? I can't see much of anything there. The carb seems melted so it appears to have been in a fire. I never would have thought that a VIN could be worth $15k? The VIN number may be encapsulated inside a melted dashpad!
But it is an S code 390 GT fastback. Short of a 428 in a Shelby, I think that was the best you could get. So if you were doing a Dynacorn, or maybe already had a fastback project/coupes conversion, would you want a title/Vin for low option 6 or 302 coupe? Or be able to ask S-code 390 GT fastback money?
 
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As described it will never be numbers matching, more like fraud…
Here is a letter from the NHTSA, it explains what they consider to be a new vehicle, and needing a new vin, and what they consider to still be an old vehicle that can be legally still registered as an old vehicle. According to the feds:
NHTSA has consistently interpreted that provision to mean that, by its terms, it applies only to new bodies and not to old ones, and that placing a new body on an old chassis does not produce a new vehicle so long as the engine, transmission, and drive axles, as a minimum, are not new and at least two of which were taken from the same vehicle. Conversely, a new vehicle would result by placing a new body on an old chassis utilizing new, a combination of new and used, or used engine, transmission, and drive axles no two of which were taken from the same vehicle.

Here is the complete letter:
 

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I can see that description applying to separate body/chassis type vehicles. Is there a clarification for a unibody, like a Mustang? Surely the suspension /rear axle alone do not constitute a "chassis".
Plus, the old separate body/chassis vehicles can have vin numbers on the body and the frame. At least one or the other can be considered to be 'that car' as relates to the vin. A Dynacorn Mustang has none. So you take the engine/trans/rear axle and a little bit of metal with stamped numbers from the rotted/burned real one and weld it into a completely new shell and suddenly it is 'the real thing"?
 
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I can see that description applying to separate body/chassis type vehicles. Is there a clarification for a unibody, like a Mustang? Surely the suspension /rear axle alone do not constitute a "chassis".
Plus, the old separate body/chassis vehicles can have vin numbers on the body and the frame. At least one or the other can be considered to be 'that car' as relates to the vin. A Dynacorn Mustang has none. So you take the engine/trans/rear axle and a little bit of metal with stamped numbers from the rotted/burned real one and weld it into a completely new shell and suddenly it is 'the real thing"?
Lots of unscrupulous horse traders are good with a welder. We all know this has been going on since cars were first made. Now with encouragement of some powerful auctioneers and other people in power pushing states to change laws, re-bodied classics are becoming legal and more common. IMO most enthusiasts would much rather own an original or an original tastefully modified, not a copy with an original vin.
Most folks with monies to buy the type of car that goes for big bucks are fully aware and won’t fall victim easily, but thats not going to stop a crook from finding a sucker. These same crooks will sell your grandmother a salvaged title car under the pretense it was never wrecked and used for church on Sundays only.
 
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