Why such negativity?

[Kit Sullivan]

Only problem with the T5 swap into a MK-VII is the car's weight. They are prettly portly, to put it mildly. With a stock engine and the OEM 3.23 gears, the T5 isn't a great fit...but...build motor ( or supercharge it), trade up to some 3.55s or even some 3.73s and you've got a great runner.

There was limited-edition "Roush"/C&C" MK-VII GTC that could be optioned with a 400-horse JBA ( J. Bitttle America) 351 4V, T5 and 3.55s with panhard rod, 15x8 rims, lowered suspension, costom ground effects. Nice car...too pricy for its time.

The full-boat Stage-III version in '88 was about $55,000. That was BMW M-1 territory. Not many were sold.

 

[cudak888]

The full-boat Stage-III version in '88 was about $55,000. That was BMW M-1 territory. Not many were sold.

Can't find any info other than the Stage I and II's. Got any literature on this? You have my interest.

-Kurt

 

[Mister 4x4]

You can't disagree with Dana or Kurt when it comes to obvious scammers. Unfortunately, again as a side-effect of our level of '71-'73 Mustang education, our B.S. meters are more finely tuned to the tricks out there regarding our models.

Notice the decent cars being commented on - not as much negativity as pointing out flaws for virtual negotiating purposes - there's nothing wrong with getting the best deal. The turds on the other hand, game on. If you see a $400 parts car going for $8500 with the comments, "Ultra-rare 1973 Boss 429 Mach 1 Convertible," raise that B.S. flag.

Nothing wrong with calling a scammer a scammer. As long as it's done in a manner that fits within the guidelines of posting in these forums - bring it on. If our negativity saves even one person from getting saddled with completely lost cause, it's worth it.

One thing I personally hate seeing is a "low-mileage" and/or rare car that's been left to rot going for high dollars. I mean, who gives a crap if it's a 1 of 50 '67 Cobra Jet with only 178 miles on it? If it's been left outside in the elements, is more rust than metal, and is missing all the important stuff that made it so rare, it ain't worth it. If it looks anything like that Pantera or my '71 did when I bought it (or worse), it's not worth 5-digit money... let alone the 6-digits I'm sure the buyer paid for it. Those kinds of 'Rare Finds' are also part of what's so bad for the Average Joe just looking for a project car with hopes of having a nice cruiser some day.

 

[Kit Sullivan]

Maybe I'm fuzzy on the "stage" numbers. "Stage 1" was paint and bodywork, and suspension mods. "Stage II" was the engine/ trans options, and "Stage III" was the....don't know.

I know you could also buy just the ground effects alone as a dealer-installed option, so maybe that is what I was counting also.

I'm not sure they actually used "Stage __" nomenclature either.

I do know that even though it had lowered suspension, modified front springs, panhard rod, bigger rims and tires...it apparently did not handle appreciably better than a stock LSC. But they sure looked great. I have converted my 88 into a GTC clone, and it looks great.

 

[Gold Rush]

Kit I actually have had seven fox bodies, forgot the Fairmont Futura and the Granada. Not proud of either of those but we had three or four kids at the time. Just saying that at this time nothing is quite the same as a 7173.

You say nothing could ever make you buy a Lincoln, then you say you have owned 5 Fox-body Mustangs over the years.

That is kinda' my point when I claim the MK-VII is a potential future collectible. The Mark VII ( along with the 82-88 Thunderbird and Cougar) IS a Fox-body. It is basically a "Mustang GT for executives". Just a couple inches longer wheelbase which actually improves handling, but with ALL of the GTs hardware, and some Lincoln goodies thrown in. The MK-VIIs are a tad smaller than a 71-73 Mustang, and is rip-snortin' fun to drive.

It was basically Ford's attempt at an AMG or M1 inspired car.

 

[cudak888]

If it looks anything like that Pantera or my '71 did when I bought it (or worse)' date=' it's not worth 5-digit money... let alone the 6-digits I'm sure the buyer paid for it.[/quote']
You might want to put "4-digit" in that list too. The average prices for decent '71-73 H-codes and below are not valuable enough to justify pricing over $900 for real junkers - of which there are a lot.

-Kurt

 

[Mister 4x4]

Yeah... I'm not too proud of the fact that I paid $1600 for mine. But at the time, I was one of those "low-information buyers," and could only see "don't even have to leave town to pick it up" past the "Mach 1 Goggles." The seller was one of those Fast & Loud wannabes, and after all said and done, I at least got him down to what he paid for it (seized engine carries a LOT of negotiating power for the buyer, after all). :blush:

San Angelo is literally 90 miles from anywhere else in the middle of nowhere, and 230-ish away from any of the 'big market' areas (San Antonio, Austin, DFW...). I guess technically mine was an impulse buy, but it's not like there was anything else being locally advertised.

 

[cudak888]

Yeah... I'm not too proud of the fact that I paid $1600 for mine. But at the time, I was one of those "low-information buyers," and could only see "don't even have to leave town to pick it up" past the "Mach 1 Goggles." The seller was one of those Fast & Loud wannabes, and after all said and done, I at least got him down to what he paid for it (seized engine carries a LOT of negotiating power for the buyer, after all). :blush:

Feel good about it. I was suckered into that yellow car for $2,650 + $400 in transport costs.

-Kurt

 

[Mister 4x4]

Oh trust me - I'm good with it all. But I'm with you, if my experience can save someone else a lot of hassle (by pointing out problems and arming them with more information going into a deal), then all the negativity is for the greater good.

And Kit - quit trying to hijack your own thread with all that late '80s Lincoln nonsense. rofl

(Just kidding brutha - it's all good)

 

[73StangCoupe]

Check this one out... I have no idea if this is BS or not but $28K... really. This could be a good example of another ***** seller trying rip some one off.

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=375380896&numRecords=15&firstRecord=1&zip=29910&searchType

 

[cudak888]

Check this one out... I have no idea if this is BS or not but $28K... really. This could be a good example of another ***** seller trying rip some one off.

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=375380896&numRecords=15&firstRecord=1&zip=29910&searchType

That's a Mark VII PPG Pace Car. One-off, I believe.

-Kurt

 

[Kit Sullivan]

The Roush GTC is the street version of the PPG Pace Car

 

[Totalled]

Those LSCs are kinda neat, and kinda slow. My F-350 handed one it's *** at an impromptu street light challenge.

 

[Kit Sullivan]

The LSCs didn't get respectably powerful until '87, when the 5.0 HOs were installed. Still and all, they are basically mid-16 second cars. Typical of cars of its era. Today that is embarrasingly slow.

 

[Boss1Ray]

The LSCs didn't get respectably powerful until '87, when the 5.0 HOs were installed. Still and all, they are basically mid-16 second cars. Typical of cars of its era. Today that is embarrasingly slow.

I've owned two - both '89 year models. For their day they were very spirited and well balanced cars. I used to loose most other cars in cloverleafs when they thought they could 'hang' with me in the corners. I was sure hard on the tires!!!!! Performance wise they were decent and they were a ton of fun on the highway!

Ray

 

[turtle5353]

I had a 1993 cobra back in the day and it was a ton of fun to drive. It handled unbelievably well. Back tires never lasted long though!!! I drove a little silly in that thing! 22 year old kid that probably shouldn't of had a car that fast LOL!!

Also heres a CL for a 73 convert. that about 20min from me.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/4545659525.html

 

[rpmcarter]

You can't disagree with Dana or Kurt when it comes to obvious scammers. Unfortunately, again as a side-effect of our level of '71-'73 Mustang education, our B.S. meters are more finely tuned to the tricks out there regarding our models.

Notice the decent cars being commented on - not as much negativity as pointing out flaws for virtual negotiating purposes - there's nothing wrong with getting the best deal. The turds on the other hand, game on. If you see a $400 parts car going for $8500 with the comments, "Ultra-rare 1973 Boss 429 Mach 1 Convertible," raise that B.S. flag.

Nothing wrong with calling a scammer a scammer. As long as it's done in a manner that fits within the guidelines of posting in these forums - bring it on. If our negativity saves even one person from getting saddled with completely lost cause, it's worth it.

One thing I personally hate seeing is a "low-mileage" and/or rare car that's been left to rot going for high dollars. I mean, who gives a crap if it's a 1 of 50 '67 Cobra Jet with only 178 miles on it? If it's been left outside in the elements, is more rust than metal, and is missing all the important stuff that made it so rare, it ain't worth it. If it looks anything like that Pantera or my '71 did when I bought it (or worse), it's not worth 5-digit money... let alone the 6-digits I'm sure the buyer paid for it. Those kinds of 'Rare Finds' are also part of what's so bad for the Average Joe just looking for a project car with hopes of having a nice cruiser some day.

LOL having a post by an average Joe is suspect when he or she promotes the sale to endear your emotions to his or her cause. It reminds me of my wife arguing with me to buy the RV a couple of weeks ago. The picture and description were of a very nice photo of said RV. The script was of the need to sell because the person and their dear husband had enjoyed this beautiful well maintained unit for years. After his death she only wanted to offer the RV to a warm loving family that would love it as much as they did.

So I called on it. She was SO nice!!! She had sent the unit to Ebay Motors Transportation to assist with delivery and ensure a quality transaction with the new owner.

 

[rpmcarter]

I have noticed lately that there seems to be a lot of negative comments on the forum aimed at ads on CL and other places about cars for sale and what pieces of junk they are. In a hobby that is based around 45+ year-old cars that were not really very rust-resistant to begin with, there are bound to be some less-than-pristine examples out there. Every time a rusted-out hulk or modified-to-hell car is sold to someone for stupid money, I figure it can only drive the value of nicer examples even higher! We all benefit that way!

I was looking for another thread and found this again. But it reminded me of that cat selling the Mach I that was posting from Lafayette (according to his location information) and the car was in a small town in Texas 220 miles away, (which I noted that you have to be from there to even know it exist) and posted to the Shreveport CL which is 212 miles away. he just loved our little forum and us (he had maybe 3 post but regrettably had to sell his Mach I).....but he disappeared. I guess it was my fault...cuz I happily called him out.

 

[SPAIN72MUSTANG]

kit....looking forward to the day 7173 mustangs start to shoot up in value its time to get the respect and value these car deserve,thats why you buy cars in the classic car market before they go for high prices,its called getting in early on the market....for prices on used parts geting pricey thats the collector business,were still so far behind on value on our years 7173.

 

[rpmcarter]

kit....looking forward to the day 7173 mustangs start to shoot up in value its time to get the respect and value these car deserve,thats why you buy cars in the classic car market before they go for high prices,its called getting in early on the market....for prices on used parts geting pricey thats the collector business,were still so far behind on value on our years 7173.

hmmmm ..... I knew you and KIT 'd be friends.....hmmmmmm