2016 Mustang 10-speed

[Boss1Ray]

"The often seen as rivals (Ford and GM) have actually be working together on transmission development for the past 11-years. As is the case with other such partnerships, it has been seen as critical to the speedy development of new technology that otherwise would have been decades in the making."

"Ford is taking on the rwd 10-speed."

http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/502/ford-extends-gm-transmission-partnership/

 

[Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs]

Ray,

Lots of people are not aware that back in the 60's if you got a full synchronized three speed in a Pontiac its said FoMoCo on the side of it. GM was always a little behind Ford on the manual transmissions. Before NASCAR allowed them to use about anything they wanted all the GM cars had Ford Top loaders in them. The GM 4 speed could not take the punishment. Same with the rear the NASCAR GM cars all had Ford 9" rear gears.

I did a quick search for those that would doubt GM would us a Ford transmission, here is link it was Late 64 that Pontiac used it. I think I saw one in one of the SOHC Six cylinders that Pontiac had for a short time.

http://www.teufert.net/trans/man-hist.htm

David

 

[Boss1Ray]

Yeah David - some don't realize the variable ratio steering box in some of our 71-3 Mustangs is a SAGINAW (GM) part... Another 'tidbit' is that it's mounted upside down as compared to the same unit on the 71 Camaro.

My dad told me back when I was little about Ford, back in the 1920's or early '30's trading their better brakes system for the different (other than BLACK) GM paint color combos. I never researched that rumor.

My dad was a serious car guy!

Ray

 

[DK73]

Wow that is so cool info! Thanks for sharing[emoji106][emoji41] Regards Lars DK73

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Regards DK73

 

[Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs]

Ray,

On the paint Ford in the beginning offered colors like red and almost orange and white and cream on the K & L models. From what I was told it was a varnish base and took weeks to do a paint job. It was brushed on and took multiple layers then hand rubbed with pumice to make it shine. Henry found out about what I think is called Japalac which was a lacquer base paint that dried fast. I have seen some of the old film of them painting Model T's and the car was over like a grate and the spray heads were like a garden spray nozzle and the paint would run off and drip back into the tank and be sprayed again. The heat dried the lacquer fast so productions really picked up so you could get any color on a model T you wanted as long as it was black.

Others like GM forced the hard headed Henry Ford to give in and start to offer colors like the competition. I did research on Pierce Arrow many years ago and they were one of the most innovative car manufactures there were. They invented and patented the hydraulic lifter. They also patented the placing of the headlights into the fender instead of up on a rod or standing off the fender. As far as their paint went they offered thousands of colors I seem to remember them offering 400 shades of beige paint at one time. Too custom was part of their downfall.

Keep sharing your tidbits of info the younger guys will never know if we don't share.

David

 

[secluff]

Ray,

Lots of people are not aware that back in the 60's if you got a full synchronized three speed in a Pontiac its said FoMoCo on the side of it. GM was always a little behind Ford on the manual transmissions. Before NASCAR allowed them to use about anything they wanted all the GM cars had Ford Top loaders in them. The GM 4 speed could not take the punishment. Same with the rear the NASCAR GM cars all had Ford 9" rear gears.

I did a quick search for those that would doubt GM would us a Ford transmission, here is link it was Late 64 that Pontiac used it. I think I saw one in one of the SOHC Six cylinders that Pontiac had for a short time.

http://www.teufert.net/trans/man-hist.htm

David

David is right. Was stationed in Warner Robins Ga and had an invite to go with a buddy and his wife to Dunn, NC to visit their family during a long weekend.

He was a diehard GM man, and always enjoyed ribbing me about driving Ford's. Then after I took my 67 Mustang 289 4sp and waxed his 350 Camaro's a$$ he began to soften. He took me to an area where he and all his brothers "Parked" their blown, torn up, ragged out, totaled cars. They never got rid of anything, so there was quite a collection of "Dead Soldiers"! He showed me a Pontiac T37 OHC 6 that he said they had replaced everything on it that would unbolt and finally give up trying to keep it running. He said his brother remarked at least GM makes a good transmission cause that's the only thing they hadn't torn up. All was fine until someone noticed the Ford oval on the side of the transmission. I didn't even believe it until he showed me the same transmission.

And some may call me wrong, but compared to Ford top loader, the Gm 4 speeds were a much weaker transmission. A friend of ours came up from Florida to show us his new 72 SS 350 4sp Camaro. After my test drive was over, my NC buddy remarked to me "You don't know how to shift a 4 speed, let me show you how it's done"! Never mind the many times I had outrun his 350 Camaro with my 289 4sp. Of course the very first time he went to shift 2nd to 3rd he missed the shift and we heard a loud noise and the car quit pulling. I thought he blew the clutch. Our Florida buddy got to spend an extra week with us since our NC buddy destroyed that Muncie with one bad shift.

I busted a lot of u-joints in my 67, but NEVER had to repair my top loader 4 speed. Built Ford tough!!

 

[Boss1Ray]

Great info and postings! Appreciate the added/supporting info!

Ray

 

[midlife]

Even today, NASCRAP is still using the Ford 9" rear end.

 

[Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs]

Another little tidbit of info. I believe it was 1965 my first cousin Charles bought a brand new Mercury Comet. It was one of the limited run they made for the durability runs they did. Everything on the car was H.D. The Detroit locker 9" and the same top loader as R code cars had the big input shaft. I loved to go crusing with him in Gastonia N.C. outside Charlotte. It was a HiPo 289 and that car was so fun. You could rev the thing to about 4,000 and just slide your foot off the clutch it would not wheel hope slip the clutch or nothing it would just roast the tires and go. Nothing ever broke it was tough as nails. He had a good job and when the 66 Chevelle came out he got a 396 4 speed and the first week he had it crunched the trans. Oh he wished he had the comet back. I wish I had it now they only made a hand full of them. They drove them from Cape Horn South America to Alaska and did speed runs at Daytona and set a record that stood for years. I think they ran over 100 mph for 100,000 miles on several cars. They even kept running during a hurricane. They were the same one he had and would be worth good money now. The only other one I ever saw was in Harrahs car collection before it was sold out.

David