Aussie variation of the Cleveland Blocks

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The pillow block was used in XD and XE Falcon/Fairmonts and F100s it came about due to a perceived need to increase the cooling capacity and capability of the Cleveland block. Ford felt that as more and more cars were fitted with accesories, and specifically air-conditioning, it would be better to make some modifications to the block. These took the form of adding bulges, or pillows, to the casts to allow extra water jacket capacity.Some ‘pillow’ blocks where fitted to some XE ESP cars, built as 302C’s. Some people disregard these blocks as being inferior. Not true I say and I am sure Dick Johnson would back my statement as would a lot of Ford race teams and if you grout them the extra water capacity is handy.

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Australian NASCAR Blocks

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The U.S. had long ceased production of Clevelands and were very keen to still use them in NASCAR racing, they approached Ford Australia and asked them to cast up a series of special blocks which had additional metal in them, this would allow some extra machining of the block, specifically some over-boring. In standard form the Cleveland is a thin wall casting which limited its over-bore capability. By casting in extra metal, there was a hope that some internal trickery could be achieved. These blocks carried the casting number XE192540. Apart from thicker bore walls, the XE blocks had thicker pan rails. Unfortunately, there was a problem and the castings suffered from core shift, to such an extent that Ford U.S. rejected them and left Ford Australia with them. Now Ford Australia, never being ones to miss an opportunity simply used the blocks in passenger cars and trucks where the core shift problem was not noticable under normal driving conditions. These blocks have acquired some mythical status, but some accounts show that, while the extra metal may be handy, actually benefitting from its presence while building a hi-po engine can be problematic.

Hope this sheds some light on things for you guys. I am by no means a die hard Ford bloke and this is just general info I have picked up by hanging around with some mates that have a few Tuff Clevos. Happy to hear from more knowledgable people.

 
Yeah Luke, pretty much agree what has been written up there. With the "pillow" blocks I have heard all the pro's and con's about them such as, increased water capacity, apparently stronger (doubt it though) to apparently causing "hot spots" in the block and causing air bubbles in the cooling system. As for NASCAR blocks, I heard the first run of the 83 cast blocks were all rejected by the NASCAR teams and it was the second and third runs where they they picked out the blocks that were any good and the rest were rejected and used down the line or sold off as NASCAR blocks here and the majority of them were crap for racing duties. I personally remember one NASCAR block that was sonic tested and it came back being under .100 thou at its thinnest in more than one pot, but in saying that I've seen a few that have been in great order, including one I was building for myself many years ago now. In all honesty if the block measures up okay then I've never had a real drama with any Clevo block, and as I've said over the years, I've had more problems with Chev blocks than any other block. As for all this "pillow" block or "d" block or "square" block, I truely believe that no one block is better than the other, as long as it comes back from testing all good, then it should not be a drama to use a standard cleveland block, as long as the machining and prep work is done right, then they can handle decent amounts of power going through them.

 
Seems to be the case with cleveland There are Heaps of stout clevos running lots of stock blocks around as you know. 308s had some thin bores too but I reckon I have seen more sbc that didnt work in machine shops than anything else,but I guess you see more sbc than anything else anyway.

 
Exactly right, there'd be at least 10 times the amount of SBC's than clevo's and 308's combined, but in saying that I've seen more Chevs using aftermarket blocks than Cleveland's making similar power levels. As you'd know, here in Australia there are heaps of 600-700 hp Clevelands still running stock blocks, just goes to show how good a cleveland block is when prepped right.

 
Hi this is good info for me about the Cleveland's engine[emoji6] Because of that's what I'm having ind my Mustang. My block was professional Bored to 4,030. Strok 4" Compression 10:5 and are Now a 408" stroker and have best products from Scrat light wight Metal + Aussie tops from CHI 4V 228cc 805-DO heads. And having Now 469,5 HK and is now a beast! [emoji41] Regards Lars DK73

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Sounds like a nice little combo you have there. Here in Australia there are many street cars running standard cleveland blocks making 550hp + and hold together quite well. These engines use everything from cast iron 2V and 4V heads, as well as alloy CHI, AFD and Scott Cook heads in all their varieties, using intake manifolds from dual plane air gap type right up to the high rise stuff. The latest CHI dual plane intake seems to be a really good bit of gear, just heard last weekend through a mate, a guy I know of has just finished his 393 cleveland with one of those intakes and was dynoed at over 650 hp, around 600 ft/lb's of torque (can't remember exact figures) on pump fuel. As I've said it all comes down to the ability of the machine shop doing the work and the extra preparation that's required to keep these things alive, if all done correctly, then your engine will give you years of trouble free service. The problem is now that standard bore blocks are starting to a bit few and far between. I have a few and I'm always getting asked if I want to sell them, but answer is always NO. I used to have a heap of cleveland stuff once and sold a lot of it off because I thought I was not going to get back into older cars again, oh, how wrong I was, lol.

 
Lars sounds like a tidy package. All the parts 4Vforever mentioned are first class parts as are your heads. The Scott Cook stuff is very good and looks like factory stuff so its great for stealth type build where a stock look is important ;)

 
4Vforever thanks four your responding[emoji2] Yes it's all the good stuff wee dit talk about over 500HK But I can always go up if I want[emoji6] But My Body have a program that showed that My Mustang go 0-60 at 3,49 seconds whit the 469,5 HK But wee have been having some issues with the MSD Ignition and the Bockses! Where they suddenly stopped working when I was driving[emoji17] That was changed to times!!![emoji35] Wee decided that wee Never would yuse that Brand again! So wee Now installed Cranes ignition system[emoji39] And by god that's was a big change how My engine works it's Now A Beast and it starts up ewery time!![emoji41] But sadly wee Now have vintner! Can't wait to get spring[emoji12] Regards Lars DK73

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Hi Luke yes I wee just good stuff[emoji6] Have always been jus

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**** sorry Luke[emoji6] Love Those Cleveland's engine when first they work they are just a Bad as one the road[emoji12] Regards Lars DK73

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Yes Lars, I don't know what's going on at MSD lately (last few years) but have heard a lot of problems with their stuff, one with a SBC went through 3 distributors (non box type) before he got one that finally worked properly, another on a cleveland two 6AL's, and a few others I have heard about where I just say to people when I hear about it, sounds familiar. Their stuff used to be top grade gear once, now may as well buy pro crap (comp) gear as it costs heaps less and will fail just as quick. The crane stuff is awesome and I have had no dramas with it and have used it for many years (over 10) when I hear another MSD story I just tell them to get the Crane gear and those who have, are never disappointed. Another great company for electronics is IC&E, Australian made stuff and is probably the best on the market, but is a bit pricey. As they say though, you get what you paid for, but sometimes it doesn't seem to be the case.

 
Hi Yes it's simes too Bee because off that fakt there are now being made in China[PERSEVERING FACE] Before then it whas good stuff!! They are Making bad stuff because they yuse bad metal which get hot!! My engine works Now Like it's supose too!😎 Crane is Made in US [WINKING FACE] Regards Lars DK73

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