The art of manliness and beard grooming

[Luke]

Hi all I thought I would share this out of interest.

I recently had to give a public presentation as part of my work. So neat casual attire,fresh shave,trimmed and oiled my beard and waxed my mo so it looked neat and tidy and didn't cover my mouth. At the end of my bit of talking and relevant question and answers I was approached by a very dapper old gent. The first thing I noticed after his confident bearing was his RAAF association shirt,immaculate appearance and dashing fighter pilots moustache (he was indeed a fighter pilot). He held out a hand and said well done young fella its good to see blokes keeping the manly arts alive. I said thank you Sir but Iam not sure I understand. His response was along the lines of To be able to master the art of manliness, a man must live the seven manly virtues: Manliness, Courage, Industry, Resolution, Self-Reliance, Discipline, Honour. After a bit of a discussion about these points of reference and what they mean with one of the funniest most earnest men I have had the good fortune to meet a brief nod to ones ability to grow and maintain a decent beard with out looking like a homeless person I bid him farewell. I have been reflecting on this for the best part of a week talked about the 7 virtues with a few mate whom all agree these are great qualities to live by. What do you gents think is the art of manliness at risk would you indeed try to strive to make the grade or is it part of the world that we will eventually lose as these great old bloke disappear. I sincerely hope not

 

[mdan575]

Depends on where you look I would say. Rural living I see it is still alive in well.

 

[luxstang]

The problem with well groomed (full) beards is that these days they usually grow on snobbish hipsters. I hated those guys before it was cool.

But it's my belief that if you're gonna grow any kind of beard make sure it's not fuzzy.

Just as I am allergic to people with long hair if it doesn't look well groomed.

Me of all people.

I have no opinion on the other manly virtues you quoted. I am manly enough without having any virtues imposed on me.

 

[Flatback72]

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[Luke]

Lol. If this old boy hadnt of been so funny and if he hadnt of been in the forces i may have dismissed it but it seems to be that a similar set of values sit with a lot of those that have or are currently willing to risk all in service of thier country. Not a sacrifice that should ever be taken lightly or at least I believe it shouldnt,however this old joker wants to frame it

 

[Kit Sullivan]

1 had to think about it, but to me the 7 points of maniliness would be:

1) Treat every female you meet with the highest level of respect, politeness and regard...irrespective of thier appearnce, demeanor and attitude.

2) talk half as much as anyone you know, and only when you have something of importance and appropriateness to say. Idle chit-chat and gossip are for children and women.

3) Earn your keep: A man without a job (or other means of self-sufficiency) is no man at all. Hand-outs and charity are accepted only in the short-term and only as a last resort, never to become a permanent source of sustenance. All charity is to be repaid in kind immediatly and as a first priority.

4) A real man honors his commitments, without fail.

5) A real man protects and defends his immediate family from all possible dangers and potentially unfortunate situations. Period.

6) Kindness to all animals (even cats!) is the mark of manliness.

7) Vanity is an external trait, and is for women...real men do not seek attention from others by adorning themselves with baubles and jewelry. Other than a wedding band, a tasteful wristwatch is the only legitimate piece of jewelry that a real man wears. "Manliness" exudes from within, and is not something that can be worn or applied.

 

[Don C]

To me, discipline is the most important. Without self-discipline it would be difficult to achieve the rest. Self-reliance is my #2.

I agree about the jewelry, I wear my wedding ring (40 years this December), I don't even wear a wrist watch anymore, my cell phone is good enough. It seems like 98% of the men I have known that were loaded down with jewelry were just as superficial as their ornaments, and weren't worth the price of the blasting powder needed to blow the fuzz off a bumblebee's butt.

 

[will e]

Anyone can grow a beard. To be a real man you must have a unibrow.

In all seriousness. I agree that discipline is one of the most important. It is hard to exhibit the others without it.

I only wear a wedding band. Sometimes if we go someplace 'nice' I will put on my fathers turquoise ring. It's pretty cool. I don't have an automatic opinion on men and jewelry. I know some manly men who wear several rings and have ear rings. Mostly silver type stuff, skulls, crosses and stuff like that. I don't think they wear it to adorn themselves as much as they just like it.

These kinds of topics always remind me of a song in the musical 'Hair' called 'My Conviction'

I would just like to say that it is my conviction


That longer hair and other flamboyant affectations


Of appearance are nothing more


Than the male's emergence from his drab camoflage


Into the gaudy plumage


Which is the birthright of his ***

 


There is a peculiar notion that elegant plumage


And fine feathers are not proper for the male


When actually


That is the way things are


In most species

Not that I agree/disagree, it's just a song. But it is interesting that many times it is the male of the species that has the adornment.

 

[detritusmaximus]

I agree with much of Luke's post. The problem I see is the 'Manliness' virtue. It seems to be way too open to interpretation. I'd say all the other virtues combined are what make up 'manliness'.

Too often I meet people that seem to think manliness is being a 'bad ***' (and always trying to prove it), or demanding everyone make room for their desires/opinions without allowing them theirs, and measuring everyone else by standards they themselves would be hard pressed to meet.

As for the grooming thing....I used to have long hair (washed everyday! and kept in a pony tail (except for when it was braided, suffice to say it was girls that wanted to do the braiding...whom am I to argue. I think you know where that all goes...). Now I have virtually no hair on top (migrated south) except for the Don Johnson/GI Joe look (OLD Joe figures, if you know what they used top look like, then you know what I mean).

Above all, manliness is pride in appearance and HYGIENE! Belts and deodorant required.

 

[rpmcarter]

I believe our board rules much like this discussion point out protecting the weak. As I was on a temporary band, It did not offend me because at the end of the day those whom are "real men" understand protecting the weak because it is our duty whether we believe as they do or not. But it is also a trait of a man to accept the weak (and their political correctness) in their own belief and have courage stand true to your own belief as you accept them, not by force( political correctness) but by choice.

As for the adornment of jewelry most of what is mentioned unfortunately cries true of should we say the false person. However, dont judge because if you saw me, I do have one expensive watch but rarely wear it not out of shame or protecting "it". Most of the time its just not that important to me. If I did wear it, some may interpret me as "one of those guys" however making the mistake might cost you a broken jaw, arm or leg or all the above, because being meek does not require weakness ......OH... I cant grow a full beard due to being Irish/American Indian(somewhat) so the sides dont fill in well... but I have a goatee. Am I ACCEPTED?????

 

[detritusmaximus]

I think you touched on something there. While it is said that a man does what he has to, is doing 'what you have to' more a sign of character than what you choose to do?

When you say 'goatee' are we talking a billy goat look or Dr. Strange?

 

[rpmcarter]

With that said....

I feel PRETTY........ at least that is what the service option stated I would feel when I chose my PEDICURE !!!!! :dodgy:

I just returned from Elegant Nails and Spa with my wife and daughter where I got a pedicure. :blush:

JUDGE ME!!!!! lollerz

I think you touched on something there. While it is said that a man does what he has to, is doing 'what you have to' more a sign of character than what you choose to do?

When you say 'goatee' are we talking a billy goat look or Dr. Strange?

interesting both choices on google represent SATIN. Good try but you'll have to try that on a weaker man.

 

[Luke]

This is an interesting little philosophical debate. Put the beard grooming thing in the box for discipline and focus on the overall tenants they do actually stand for something. This old rooster suggested that he learned them from a book at a young age that had articles from Churchill and Roosevelt etc stating what it takes to be a solid individual. It reminds me of the script on the pillars at the war memorial at Isurava. Courage,Endurance, Mateship, Sacrifice.surely worth the time to consider before we are all caught up in or day to day lives.

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A short history of the stand at Isurava for those whom may not know

https://www.awm.gov.au/units/event_342.asp

 

[detritusmaximus]

interesting both choices on google represent SATIN. Good try but you'll have to try that on a weaker man.

Hmm, not quite where I was going with that. There seems to be a BIG difference between the type of person that grows the billy goat scruff and the type that has the Dr. Strange 'van ****'.

 

[luxstang]

You know guys, we can discuss this issue for another few weeks but let me tell you:

Manliness (that spelled with a capital "M") is being married and still having a coffee table made from a V8 in the living room.

 

[Mister 4x4]

This sums it up for me:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/gebhardt.asp

 

[rpmcarter]

This is an interesting little philosophical debate. Put the beard grooming thing in the box for discipline and focus on the overall tenants they do actually stand for something. This old rooster suggested that he learned them from a book at a young age that had articles from Churchill and Roosevelt etc stating what it takes to be a solid individual. It reminds me of the script on the pillars at the war memorial at Isurava. Courage,Endurance, Mateship, Sacrifice.surely worth the time to consider before we are all caught up in or day to day lives.

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A short history of the stand at Isurava for those whom may not know

https://www.awm.gov.au/units/event_342.asp

yes very true. But what about us fair skinned poor fools that cant grow a nice beard? Are we less than a man???? DONT Answer that... btw...what a beautiful shot and tribute.

 

[Luke]

Not my photo but it is a good one

 

[hyena429]

Nothing wrong with good hygine and grooming, I could grow a hell of a beard, but no way in hell would my girlfreind let me..we have already talked about it,lol..But when im going out some where nice or playing a gig, i trim up my scruff..Keep my long hair under controll.. Some men give me hell about combing it too much "cause they dont got long hair and dont understand how easy it gets tangled and matted" lol When it comes to how i dress or act. It is all for my gal pretty much...She likes me how i am, and im fine with that..lol and i dont give a damn if other men like it or not..I never have...I always been out of the box when it comes to style for my small town of 2500...If i was not so big i would of faced alot of trouble from cowboys i went to school with.. They did not like long hair and heavy metal and such, and i seen them hassle alot of kids about there hair ..call them girls and such... But never said anything about it to me "only cause im 6'5" That was back in the early 80's...Now i run into the same cowboys that made fun them kids....and they all tring to grow some long hair and lising to rock and metal..They now wear camo hats and they sow on patches and crap.."just like i do"...It is almost like my style been stolen from me..lmao..But i dont mind..i find it funny what is considered manly changes by the decade.

So the idea of what is manly or not, all relative to where you are in the world, and who you are with, what decade, and if you care or not