Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - observations, did Halicki really steal Eleanor, etc

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C'mon you blokes back on track, this has been an interesting and informative thread. The investigations are into the actual car used not the what it is thought/supposed to be and to that purpose it was excellent.
Unfortunately, I haven't had anything new to offer. I was hoping someone else might have a nugget of information, or might have saved a few behind-the-scenes shots from one of the old Gone in 60 Seconds websites (I've seen more than a few of these, but they're usually thumbnails).

-Kurt

 
Jerry Bruckheimer's overwrought remake of the 1974 car chase classic, "Gone in 60 Seconds" (Touchstone, $30), at least has some fun behind-the-scenes documentaries on how the breathtaking climatic chase sequence featuring Nicolas Cage and a vintage Mustang called Eleanor was accomplished. There's also a short but interesting interview with Bruckheimer, who discusses why his main objective as a producer is to entertain the masses

after learning that .... it removed all the excitement for me to understand the facts and plot of the movie. I was SO disappointed. :D:D:D

 
The original 74 movie was in reality a pretty poorly made movie: horrible acting, predictable and unimaginative script, terrible cinematography, unprofessional and dangerous stunt work and ameteurish editing.

However...none of that prevented it from being an awesome and entertaining film for its target audience: car nuts, like me! ( like all of us here, really)

This is probably the first example of "car porn" I can think of: Just an endless parade of vehicular stunts and destruction strung together with the barest thread of a narrative so it can technically still be called "a story".

I loved this movie the first time I saw it back in '74, and always championed it as an all-time favorite.

The Bruckheimer reboot missed for the same reason all these reboots miss: They "fixed" the parts of the movie no one cared about anyway, at the expense of the only redeeming parts of the original.

The original 40+ minutes of crazy and ( for the most part) REAL smash-em-up stunts in the first movie was "improved" into a 10-minute GGI-drenched, MTV-style quick-cut chase culminating in a preposterously stupid and impossible jump that should have been in a "Roadrunner & Coyote" cartoon.

Really, was it neccesary to cast THREE OSCAR -WINNING ACTORS in this movie? Those millions of dollars in big-time salary would have been better served having some more cool old cars in the movie to see flying around corners and such.

The 2000 version missed the mark so badly, I would almost suspect no one involved ever actually sat down and really watched the original.

 
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Really, was it neccesary to cast THREE OSCAR -WINNING ACTORS in this movie?
No, because three Oscar-winning actors are not going to compensate for a amateurish script and a team of director and editor with no idea of how to stage a car chase (coupled with a director of photography who has minimal film experience).

In fact, that's the one thing that Jack Vacek and Warner Leighton did understand: How to film the chase, and how to edit it, respectively.

Even Leighton's commentary on the DVD mentions that he really didn't care for putting together the "story" part of the film (which was difficult enough with Toby dumping random footage on him every 5 minutes), but enjoyed putting together the chase footage (which he thought was pretty good).

-Kurt

 
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In the picture of him standing in the car, it looks like two cars have been grafted together just aft of the shock towers. It looks like a weld goes all the way around.
It looks like a front clip/shock tower replacement that only went up to the rear aprons, or preliminary reinforcement.

Either that...or the stories about Halicki's business were less fiction than truth, and he's replaced the entire front clip in order to change the shock tower VIN numbers in the process! Was Eleanor made out of a real stolen car? Or was it just another exercise by Halicki to piss off the authorities?

Notice that the forward aprons and both shock towers don't have the same uniform surface rust and dust as the rest of the shell.*

Makes you wonder.

All things considered, it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone were to tell me that he DID steal the Mustangs for the film. That front clip replacement reeks of an illegal VIN swap to me - regardless of how long ago it happened. Think about it. If someone were to post photos tomorrow of an identical "repair" on a potential '71-73 purchase, we'd all be screaming "stolen car with shock tower swap."

I call shenanigans here.

*Speaking of which, isn't that steering wheel down to a frame? Between that and the odd surface rust, I'm beginning to wonder if Halicki bought that unibody as a salvage car from a fire.

Toby accidentally hit a telephone pole and mangled the front fender and drivers suspension while exiting the Hollywood freeway during filming. The car was severely damaged and undriveable. The other car was brought in immediately on the spot and beat by hand with various sledgehammers and such to replicate the damage shown on the first car, and filming resumed almost immediately.

The first damaged car was used in the drive up to the car wash, and was repaired enough to film the jump. It eventually went to the junk yard.
NOTE: I have significantly edited my comment below (as of 5/2) due to a re-watch of the film.

Kit, I do not buy Halicki's story for one minute. Consider the logical flow of events as follows:

  1. In exactly ONE scene, both cars are seen at the car wash in their polar opposite forms. One mint, one wrecked.
  2. The wrecked car in said scene has the requisite LH fender damage from its encounter with the telephone pole.
  3. To have one car wrecked in that manner would have required the telephone pole encounter (and every other crash) to have already happened.
  4. Given #4, it would have been impossible for Halicki to wreck the second car for the telephone pole crash and resume filming immediately, unless he shot the car wash scenes beforehand.
  5. Yet, there is no way he shot the car wash scenes beforehand, because the wrecked Eleanor shows ALL of the damage it received from the pole and the film. Unless this guy was clairvoyant, it is impossible.

Additionally, the front end and LH quarter damage on the car that spins out on the highway is a virtually perfect match for the car that drives away from the pole.

However, the one shot of the car from the left (just after hitting the pole) does show more RH quarter damage than it had when it spun out - but the rest of the car appears the same.

The following sounds more probable:

  • The car hitting the pole is the same as the one leaving.
  • Some additional scenes were shot with this car (after repairing it) before the crew returned to the off-ramp to capture the remaining, post-crash insert shots.
  • ^ Hence the additional RH quarter damage.


Even though I don't quite trust anything from a Halicki anymore, Mustang Monthly's interview with Denice Halicki and Michael Leone correlates this theory:

Michael: When he hit the telephone pole' date=' he had to load Eleanor on a truck and take the pole too because they needed it for the next frame. They came back the next Sunday, dropped the pole off in its spot, and started filming again. They had to take the pole because if they didn't, the city would pick it up and they wouldn't be able to shoot the next scene.[/quote']
Given the time needed to film - and Halicki's penchant for using Sundays as a method to close off large roadways to himself without permits, this version of the story isn't too far fetched - and it doesn't have the issue of temporal paradox.

Oh well...I like the original movie much better. Too bad the new "improved" and remastered DVD replaced the ENTIRE soundtrack with all new effects, including the car and all engine sounds. Luckily I have the original DVD also.
From what I've heard, Phillip Kachaturian's original master for the "Gone in 60 Seconds" instrumental track was missing; hence the entire music replacement. Others say that Halicki's brother had a hand in writing some of the tracks and won't release the rights, etc, etc...

As with most stuff Halicki, the truth is lost somewhere between fact, fiction, and a bit of both on the side.

Any decent LA movie soundtrack company could have executed an accurate recreation/cover using period microphones to make up for the loss of the original. Makes you wonder why they didn't.

-Kurt

P.S.: The Deluxe-interior car started out as a manual-trans car. Watch as Halicki floors it to bash through the "ROAD CLOSED" barriers. Deluxe floor mat, narrow brake pedal, and a big void where the clutch pedal once was. Amusing, to say the least.
I noticed the they left the manual transmission brake pedal too. I figured both cars were automatics

Ron
 
I noticed the they left the manual transmission brake pedal too. I figured both cars were automatics

Ron
The oddity of that is that the Deluxe interior car was the supposedly unmodified beauty car.

So much for being unmodified.

Brings up yet another series of questions.

-Kurt

 
Wow. Lots of great info here. Obviously you guys have watched the movie a couple times. So here's some more trivia for you.... What color is the other 71 Mach 1?

 
Wow. Lots of great info here. Obviously you guys have watched the movie a couple times. So here's some more trivia for you.... What color is the other 71 Mach 1?
The beauty car? I'm not convinced it started out as a Mach. Since we have no build photos of it, I can't really say anything about it with certainty.

-Kurt

 
Wow. Lots of great info here. Obviously you guys have watched the movie a couple times. So here's some more trivia for you.... What color is the other 71 Mach 1?
The beauty car? I'm not convinced it started out as a Mach. Since we have no build photos of it, I can't really say anything about it with certainty.

-Kurt
During the chase Eleanor pulls up behind a different Mach 1 for a couple seconds. Do I have to watch it again to get you a time?

 
During the chase Eleanor pulls up behind a different Mach 1 for a couple seconds. Do I have to watch it again to get you a time?
Is this where the stunt car is parked off in the background in Long Beach? I'll be able to find it if you can describe the scene.

-Kurt

 
During the chase Eleanor pulls up behind a different Mach 1 for a couple seconds. Do I have to watch it again to get you a time?
Is this where the stunt car is parked off in the background in Long Beach? I'll be able to find it if you can describe the scene.

-Kurt
My timer said 1:12:46. He re-enters the freeway next to a semi truck. You'll see why I noticed it.

 
During the chase Eleanor pulls up behind a different Mach 1 for a couple seconds. Do I have to watch it again to get you a time?
Is this where the stunt car is parked off in the background in Long Beach? I'll be able to find it if you can describe the scene.

-Kurt
My timer said 1:12:46. He re-enters the freeway next to a semi truck. You'll see why I noticed it.
Just caught it. Green '71 Mach 1 with a rear spoiler, mudflaps, a shackle leaf spring lift in the back, and Cali plates.

Not one of Halicki's own, but a car that happened to be on the highway when he did the interior driving shots. Note that these shots were done with the beauty car, not the stunt car - the hood is intact.

The scary thing is that I was working on a pewter '71 recently that was wearing an intense green metallic (slightly darker and more metallic than Grabber Green) over its original pewter, with a spoiler, and jacked up the same exact way in back. Highly doubtful it's the same car though.

-Kurt

 
Anyone notice the car he's standing in, has been burnt, that explains the rust color, only paint left is a small portion of yellow on the rocker panel. Dash pad and steering wheel burnt right down to the wire. Just saying, likely reclipped due to damage from accident. Especially if he needed a car for stunts. Car has non nasa hood with clip pins. Panels would be replaced due to fire damage. I think that this may have been a car that was stolen and burnt, then resurrected, removing damaged date coded panels, front clip and serialed motor/trans. Just an idea

 
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Anyone notice the car he's standing in, has been burnt, that explains the rust color, only paint left is a small portion of yellow on the rocker panel. Dash pad and steering wheel burnt right down to the wire. Just saying, likely reclipped due to damage from accident.
One of the things I mentioned earlier, but you just made something come to mind:

What if that is the beauty car? And what if that is after filming? Could this be the method of destruction chosen to hide the origins of the car?

-Kurt

 
With the length of his hair, it's either well before or well after the filming. I'm thinking this is a hey I took this burned out mustang and made a movie car, otherwise there'd be no reason really to reclip it and remove every panel. Stolen wrecked burned and then covered up under general mustang trim, a reclip and a thumb to the nose of those who never could prove he was a chop shop.

 
With the length of his hair, it's either well before or well after the filming. I'm thinking this is a hey I took this burned out mustang and made a movie car, otherwise there'd be no reason really to reclip it and remove every panel. Stolen wrecked burned and then covered up under general mustang trim, a reclip and a thumb to the nose of those who never could prove he was a chop shop.
Good point about the hair.

Thing is though - it would be much easier to torch the beauty car after the fact, tear it apart, photograph it, and call it a day. Either way is a possibility, and I'll admit that this theory is an unlikely one.

Incidentally, I found a behind-the-scenes photo in the DVD with the stunt car interior. It has the base, '71-only, Pinto-sourced steering wheel.

-Kurt

 
As previously referenced - a photo of the base steering wheel in the stunt car (and one of the best views of the rollcage yet), along with the standard dashboard and center stack (also seen in the film when the speedometer is shown on the highway).

Makes you wonder why he'd go through the effort of putting a headliner in a torched car with a rollcage installed. It didn't take removing the exterior panels to get a cage in that car.

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-Kurt

 
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A bit more, thanks to the following Flickr user:







Let's examine two of these photos more closely:

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From what I can see:

  • Nothing factory in the way of interior panels or seats remains behind the rear seats, save for the interior quarter panels.
  • The entire Sportdeck/retractable seat area and the trap door are padded with black carpeting, as are the bare inner wheelhouses.
  • The factory Sportdeck setup may have been quite impossible any other way. Halicki's rollcage appears to be a variant of the 10-point design, with the rear braces running across the wheel arch, connecting quite low on the main hoop.


-Kurt

 
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Hello

Does somebody know what is the exact color code for the Eleanor Mustang in the 1974 film?

Wikipedia says it was not a yellow gold ford color, some forums said a generic school bus yellow.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

 
Hello

Does somebody know what is the exact color code for the Eleanor Mustang in the 1974 film?

Wikipedia says it was not a yellow gold ford color, some forums said a generic school bus yellow.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
Halicki himself claimed that he used a generic school bus yellow during a business interview with former forum member Kit Sullivan back in the '70s. If anyone on this earth knows more about it, they haven't come forward.

Probably the best thing at this point would be to match up a yellow from the original Eleanor; whether paint chip or an actual paint scan of the body.

-Kurt

 
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