How the Chinese copy with no thought of rights.

[Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs]

I have spent quite a bit of time in China and was there in 2009 when they had their Shanghai Auto Show. It is like our big show in Detroit. You could not just buy a ticket and get in you had to be given one. We got one of our suppliers to get us passes and spent the day looking at their cars and others also.

I thought some of you guys that like Jeeps would get a kick of the Cherokee copy they made and sell. Also put some pictures up of their version of a crew cab pick up and a vehicle like a Hummer.

They don't care what they copy. They get sent all the prints and CAD files for most of the vehicles made so easy to make a copy that way you have all the specs and designs.

While there I was walking around one of the big shops and saw a big stack of foam patterns with GM part numbers on and ask what was up. It was the then on hold Camaro convertible patterns for the dies. They eventually got built after they took all our tax payer dollars to bail them out.

Ok could not put other pictures up I have exceeded my quota of pictures. Will have to see how I can clear them out.

David

 

[Austin Vert]

David,

THE FORMULA.

The formula is, they take what you got, copy it, rejig it here and there, re manufacture it at a dirt cheap cost (dirt cheap labor costs), sell it back to you at a cheaper price that your home grown product.

Result - eventually puts home companies and products out of business, and thousands of jobs are lost in your country. This has been going on for decades and nothing really gets done about it. The other major element is home grown companies that go to Asian countries to get their products manufactured instead of using home country labor.They do this because of the cheap labor costs and saving them money. That's more profit for them. The downside of that is, that these savings are not usually passed onto the customers. You still pay the normal or inflated prices for the products, and the quality of the product is not the same as it was when it was manufactured in the home country.That crap has been going on for decades as well.

In reality,for example, why in the world should i be buying newly made classic Mustang spare parts that were manufactured in Asia instead of America? What a disgrace. Where's the American pride gone? The same senarios have been played out here in Australia for decades as well. We have lost a lot of home grown companies, because of cheaper Asian made imports, and most of the Aussie home grown companies have gone off shore to get their goods manufactured. What happened to Australian pride? It went west years ago, as no one really cares, as the whole show merrily goes on. Sadly though, Australian taxpayers folk out billions of dollars every year in paying unemployment benefits to the many thousands of citizens who are out of work and can't find proper jobs. Sadly, that's the way it is or the way it's become. So who are the real dummies?

Greg.:-/

 

[Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs]

I totally agree. I went to China to work because I could not get a job in the U.S. paying half what they did in China. I brought money back to the U.S. I didn't take it over there.

I was Engineering Manager at a tool & die shop. It was sad to see that their shop was better than any I have ever seen in the U.S.. The people make about half what they do in the U.S. but they get free housing, free ride to work and three meals a day as part of employment. So the cost of labor is not the big savings in China. Most of the people we built tooling for in the U.S. required that we use U.S. made screws, nitrogen cylinders and tooling components. So we had to import from the U.S. and could still beat the delivery times in the U.S. shops.

They did the work with the latest CNC equipment and was always adding more. We could build a tool in days that took weeks and months in the U.S. or Canada. It opened my eyes that they worked so hard, 12 hour shift 7 days a week. I would walk customers around the shop and the part strips were hanging on the wall. I would ask what they think it took to build one die that was over 12' long made two parts for BMW plant in U.S. and had a 6 station transfer to finish the part. I was usually told 25 to 30 weeks. We had first parts off the die 21 days after the BOM hit the floor. I saw it I know it happened. They got an extra $90,000 for compressing the timing. They had forgot the part and BMW was in a panic.

People around the developed world have gotten lazy and expect too much from companies. The unions broke up the labor into so many facets that you cannot get anything done without an army of workers.

I use to ask the buyers in the U.S. who they thought was going to buy their product with all the work being done in China, Korea and now Vietnam? They would just say it is a world market now I have to go there. Short sighted for sure.

David

 

[Austin Vert]

Yes Sir,

So again i say - who are the real Dummies?

Greg.:-/