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Because of my line of work (Civil/Traffic Engineer, semi-retired) I get a lot of reports from various Federal agencies. This one has me a little concerned as it may be used as another reason to do away with classic cars. It basically says that when involved in a crash we are 1.7 times more likely to be killed when driving our classic cars than when driving a car 0 to 3 years old.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811825.pdf

 
sure it makes sense.

there was a time when the switch from larger to smaller cars did cause more deaths.

basically in the mid 1970s up to the early 1980s there was a trend to smaller cars due to fuel and government rule changes.

the result was an increase in deaths and a reputation were people knew early cars were perceived to be safer.

basically in the 40-50s you had cars with much thicker sheet metal and no crumple zones, most people did not die from the crash itself but from internal injuries to organs. so the car would survive pretty well even at high speed impacts but the person was dead from massive internal injuries.

the larger the car was the more room the person had to sort of bounce around and absorb impacts. so lower speed accidents had a higher rate of survival but high speed was fatal to the drivers not the cars.

getting into the 60s, you had some safety improvements, collapsible columns, lap belts, and even some cars started to have crumple zones.

by the 70s you started to get into 5mph impact bumpers and more energy absorption.

now here is were things got dangerous.

mid 70s fuel crisis.

you had a sudden shift to much smaller cars to save on fuel with old metal technology, even with early airbag designs your death rate went way up.

this is where you heard about how early cars were safer and better.

by the mid 1980s, you had a massive leap in metal technology before everything was mild steel. after you had different types of heat treated metals that could give and take stress in different ways. this allowed the engineers to direct impact energy just where it needed to be away from the driver.

at the same time, cars actually got bigger again, computer engine controls, fuel injection brought the power back with the MPG needed to accommodate forced safety features as well, by the 1990s safety was back up well passed 1960-70 levels

but the stigma of the 1980s still stuck.

now of course any modern car is going to be incredibly safe compared to a classic car.

now everything is under assault but not because of some safety study, they will find any reason they can to take away your ability to govern your own life.

up next they want to blackbox everything in the name of whatever cause they wish.

eventually they will outlaw internal combustion if they can so they won't take away your car just make it impossible to fuel.

they already have all kinds of incentives to make you get rid of your old car for a new one a safety study isn't going to be a nail in the coffin.

just look at the next generation it has very little interest in classic cars. so the ownership will shrink on its own.

the older generation remembers when dad owned his 1957 chevy so the next generation bought them for nostalgia. the generation after for the most part just remembers the smelly old junker that dad bought when he turned 40, they wish they just got the new iphone instead of going for a drive with dad in grampas car.

buddy of mine has a 67 camaro. he restored it in 1980s just after college, his son has ZERO interest in the car so there is nothing to pass on. eventually it will be sold into an ever decreasing classic car market where the 1990 toyota Supra Twin Turbo will eclipse it in value because it is what the current generation wants to own for nostalgia.

Same with me, i have no interest in pre 1968 vehicles, the classic market lurches forward into the 80s and 90s cars.

 
Not surprising with the leaps forward in automotive tech in recent years. Traction Control, Launch Control, Magnetic Ride the list goes on and on.

But all the tech does many times is take out certain portions of the human factor out of driving. I would also submit that it makes a driver more dependent on the technology instead of practicing good driving skills. The driver can get over confident relying on the technology instead of practicing prudent driving skills.

Honestly prudent driving is what keeps me out of trouble on the street in my Mustang. Damn skippy the ass will swing around in an instant on wet roads if don't act right. Maybe its just me

 
Its a multi multi billion dollar industry that generates tons of tax revenue.

Its typically populated by older people with disposable income who tend to vote.

There is not a huge out cry to save all those poor people who are dying in vintage car accident.

I think we are safe at this point.

- Paul

 
I didn't read the study but as Don C can attest roads get safer with each revision of the AASHTO green book, MUTCD, Roadside Design Guide and other publications. So a 1992 vehicle is automatically safer when driving on modern roads as compared to roads designed in 1992.

Studies an be preformed to show whatever you want to show.

 
You are absolutely correct, Don, roadways have become much safer over the years. BigBlue's photos the other day showed one of the innovations, the median barrier rail kept him from crossing over into opposing traffic and a potential head-on. Other real lifesavers have been the breakaway sign posts and crash cushions.

 
Let's just enjoy our beasts from the last century while we can... geez, I wish some alien let off a huge emp which destroyed anything which needs a computer to run... Then we'll show 'em which cars are better! Yeah.. that's it ...rant over ...I'm good ...

 
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