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Tonyde

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1972 Mustang Conv 302
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Im hoping you could help, the paint shop have just fitted my new trunk lid on the my conv and its not lining up because of the torsion rod.

How do I take it off and readjust it without it smaking me in the face, or breaking something.

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Thanks

Tony

 
I think the body shop should fix that

The rod only holds the lid open

Adjustments are made with shims and the bolts on the hinges

Also latch and catch are adjustable

 
I think the body shop should fix that

The rod only holds the lid open

Adjustments are made with shims and the bolts on the hinges

Also latch and catch are adjustable
+1 Should have been done before exterior paint was shot, but it can be done just tape all your edges before turning a bolt. Is it fully latched in the pic?. BTW welcome to the forum...Great looking car

 
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Welcome to the site. Nice looking convertible.

I've never had my torsion bar so no recommendations here. The bar is positioned in the second slot from the bottom on my 73 Convertible is this is of any help:



 
Thanks guys you have been a great help.

I have fallen out with the bodyshop and havent paid the outstanding money due.

So it won't be going back there, but its strange without the rod the trunk lid lined up perfect the latch hasn't been fitted due to the replacement for the old one was faulty (waiting for another)

So I dont get why it sits up on the right side, it seems theres more tension there than on the left, the bodyshop guy told me I need another tortion rod thats why its heppening. But my old trunk lid lined up fine with just this one (convertibles only require one).

This is really doing my head in as you can see.

Also there is so much tension on the right side the Lid flips right up wen its opened. everyone else says theirs hardly opens at all.

Sorry I need to stop before I smash my computer. Thanks again guys.

 
Wait if you do not have a latch - I don't think you have a problem

Wait for the latch then see what happens

Convertibles only have 1 rod, think about it - right now the rod is trying to open the lid with tension on just the RH hinge

I don't think it should be torqued that much, but some - yes

 
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Wait if you do not have a latch - I don't think you have a problem

Wait for the latch then see what happens

Convertibles only have 1 rod, think about it - right now the rod is trying to open the lid with tension on just the RH hinge

I don't think it should be torqued that much, but some - yes
I did try and shut the trunk with the faulty latch which held the lid shut but it was still out of line.

There is too much tension on the right hand side if you zoom into the pic you can see the whole trunk lid is raised on that side

 
I hate to cut into this thread, but I need to find out the true facts on the trunk Torsion rods. I have a 73 coupe. Body shop lost major amount of my parts they removed to do metal work. Now I am left with shop down missing major parts and unfinished car. I have a rear spoiler for the trunk. How ever, I have photos of my car before and it had 2 torsion rods. At this time I have the same issue as noted with trunk tweaked offline. And only 1 rod in place. No spoiler is on until I find out true facts. Any help out there would be helpful. Thanks.

 
Kat

I have never seen a coupe or convertible with two tension rods, always one thick one

Fastbacks had two thin ones

Tony, are there any shims between the lid and hinges?

You can move the rod BE CAREFUL as there should be 3 notches it sits in - see ole pony's picture. These will change amount of tension

 
Thanks OMS will try.

KAT if the car had the rear spoiler fitted at factory as an option the car would of been fitted with 2 rods to help with the extra weight. I'm not 100% sure if this is accurate but it's what I have been told.

OMS is right normally coupes and conv have just one as they carry the same trunk lid. And Normally no rear spoiler.

Tony

 
Hi Tony,

Here's what i know about this subject myself, and i hope it helps you.

I owm a '73 Mustang Convertible and i wanted to fit a Trunk/boot lid spoiler to the car.Over the the last year or so i've studied a lot of '71-'73 convertibles on line, and i've noticed that when you look behind the car, you will notice a lot of them have the trunk lid rising up on the right hand side above the quarter panel, whilst the left hand side tends to dip down slightly below the quarter panel.

Here's what i think is going on to create this problem. The problem lies with the torsion bar which has an uplifting force on the right side hinge which intern forces the lid to want to rise up on the right hand side. What forum members have said so far rings true, as these convertibles never came with factory spoilers, hence there was only one torsion bar offered to do the job of keeping the lid up.That set up work'd well and did the job.

When i bought my car, the lid protruded up on the right as well, and iv'e fixed that problem.On the left hand side hinge setup where the torsion bar is anchored to the three stay notches, which notch is yours anchored to at the moment? Top, middle or bottom? The standard position for the torsion rod was the middle notch position. That worked well.You mentioned your lid flies open with too much force i think.

Remember, less uplift force means the torsion rod goes to the lower notch, while max uplift goes to the top notch for the rod.You may have too much uplift force happening, causing the lid to rise dramatically to the right.The panel shop should have had no need to touch the torsion bar, even to take the lid off to work on it or relace it.

To get more technical, the trunk lid can only be adjusted and alighned in so many ways. The hinge bars themselves, have no adjustment where they are anchored to the body. The only adj you have is where the lid bolts onto the hinge bars. That gives you front/back and a little up/down adj. The lid lock assembly gives up/down and a litttle side/aside adj. If you want to move the lid from side to side at the back where the hinges are,you have to use push force on either side to coax the lid to move the direction you want.

Having said all that, it still wont solve the problem of the lid rising on the right.I came up with this idea of installing two hood adjustment rubbers inside the trunk lid area. These hood rubbers are fully adjustable, and do the job of forceably alighining the lid, so the lid sits at the right height on the left and right sides evenly.These adj hood stops don't affect the closing of the lid in any way and work like a dream. They are easily available from most Mustang outlets.

To install, mark out, position and drill holes behind lid.Using a tap & die set, tap a thread into the two holes. The threaded bolt ends of the stops simply screw into the holes and then you simply adjust the travel lenghts to suit how much rise and fall you want.Stop nuts come with the rubber stops and are used to lock in what adjustment height you have chosen.

This whole idea worked very well for me and solved my alighnment problem.If you install a spoiler, you can install another torsion rod going from right to left as well. I havn't done that as yet, as my lid just stays open on one rod, parked on a level surface.I will try moving my torsion rod up a norch and see if that gives me the lift i am chasing. One last thing.When i bought my car, the previous owner stuck a black striped decal across the back of the trunk. If you look at my photos i've posted on photobucket, you will now see how the alighnment was before, when the lid rose up to the right, and now that i have corrected that lid alighnment the decal is out of alighnment with the two quarter panel ends.

Hope all that helps Tony, and good luck!

Greg:)

http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/gregsladen/library/Mustang%20Trunk%20Alighnment?sort=3&page=1

 
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Guys please see pic attached. I have my trunk lid perfect now.

But the only reason its sitting as it should is because I have disarmed the torsion bar, wow that thing came out with some force so anyone doing it be careful.

I have also attached the new latch.

Now! as you can see I have no lock on the trunk lid as I have had this removed and will be adding a solenoid to open the trunk, But I can't find anywhere on the latch to attach the wire to pull the lock open I know this isn't comon on this type of car and I probably need to go on a Hot Rod forum, they do this all the time.

But if anyone knows someone that has done it on a stang some advice would be grateful.

I will have to tackle the adjustment of the torsion bar soon also.

Greg I've just read your post thats very informative thank you for taking the time to post it, I think I might go for another Torsion bar with less force on both sides so I get it going up straight.

Trunk Lid.jpg

 
Hi Tony,

Thanks for your feedback. If i'm correct,you have said you will try to locate a weaker torsion bar to eliminate the rising up on the right problem with the lid. You won't achieve this because as i said before, the torsion bar locates into the right hand hinge bracket, and thus forces it upwards, hence,the right side of the lid wants to rise up and the left side pull down. As long as you employ any tosion bar setup of this design and manner,you won't eliminate that problem. This Ford design was floored from the start. I've seen dozens of '71-'73 Verts with a rising right hand trunk lid on the Net. Did you see my pics?

However, as i was trying to explain before, using the original torsion bar and selecting the correct notch hole on the left hand side, which should be the middle one of three,and having no spoiler mounted,and using my adjustable hood stops, you should have a win and solve your problem. I DID solve that problem doing just that. Let us know how you eventually get on. It will be interesting.

All the best,

Greg:)

 
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Hi Tony,

Thanks for your feedback. If i'm correct,you have said you will try to locate a weaker torsion bar to eliminate the rising up on the right problem with the lid. You won't achieve this because as i said before, the torsion bar locates into the right hand hinge bracket, and thus forces it upwards, hence,the right side of the lid wants to rise up and the left side pull down. As long as you employ any tosion bar setup of this design and manner,you won't eliminate that problem. This Ford design was floored from the start. I've seen dozens of '71-'73 Verts with a rising right hand trunk lid on the Net. Did you see my pics?

However, as i was trying to explain before, using the original torsion bar and selecting the correct notch hole on the left hand side, which should be the middle one of three,and having no spoiler mounted,and using my adjustable hood stops, you should have a win and solve your problem. I DID solve that problem doing just that. Let us know how you eventually get on. It will be interesting.

All the best,

Greg:)
Hi Greg,

Sorry I didn't word my last post very well, what I was trying to say is

wouldn't an additional torsion bar work to even out the tension on a lower torsion setting?

What im trying to achieve is an even lift on both sides.

One bar right to left and another left to right.

Tony

 
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Hi Tony,

Thanks for your feedback. If i'm correct,you have said you will try to locate a weaker torsion bar to eliminate the rising up on the right problem with the lid. You won't achieve this because as i said before, the torsion bar locates into the right hand hinge bracket, and thus forces it upwards, hence,the right side of the lid wants to rise up and the left side pull down. As long as you employ any tosion bar setup of this design and manner,you won't eliminate that problem. This Ford design was floored from the start. I've seen dozens of '71-'73 Verts with a rising right hand trunk lid on the Net. Did you see my pics?

However, as i was trying to explain before, using the original torsion bar and selecting the correct notch hole on the left hand side, which should be the middle one of three,and having no spoiler mounted,and using my adjustable hood stops, you should have a win and solve your problem. I DID solve that problem doing just that. Let us know how you eventually get on. It will be interesting.

All the best,

Greg:)
Hi Greg,

Sorry I didn't word my last post very well, what I was trying to say is

wouldn't an additional torsion bar work to even out the tension on a lower torsion setting?

What im trying to achieve is an even lift on both sides.

One bar right to left and another left to right.

Tony
Tony,

I see what you are saying and wanting to do. There i can't help and advise you as i have never attempted anything like that before. In theory, that may possibly work, but to me that's a long shot that may not. Remember, if you try and add another torsion bar as you say, you will have one hell of a powerful uplift on the lid. It would be overkill, especially without a spoiler sitting on the deck.As i say, my idea does work, so do give it some thought.

Greg:)

 
Hi Tony,

Thanks for your feedback. If i'm correct,you have said you will try to locate a weaker torsion bar to eliminate the rising up on the right problem with the lid. You won't achieve this because as i said before, the torsion bar locates into the right hand hinge bracket, and thus forces it upwards, hence,the right side of the lid wants to rise up and the left side pull down. As long as you employ any tosion bar setup of this design and manner,you won't eliminate that problem. This Ford design was floored from the start. I've seen dozens of '71-'73 Verts with a rising right hand trunk lid on the Net. Did you see my pics?

However, as i was trying to explain before, using the original torsion bar and selecting the correct notch hole on the left hand side, which should be the middle one of three,and having no spoiler mounted,and using my adjustable hood stops, you should have a win and solve your problem. I DID solve that problem doing just that. Let us know how you eventually get on. It will be interesting.

All the best,

Greg:)
Hi Greg,

Sorry I didn't word my last post very well, what I was trying to say is

wouldn't an additional torsion bar work to even out the tension on a lower torsion setting?

What im trying to achieve is an even lift on both sides.

One bar right to left and another left to right.

Tony
Tony,

I see what you are saying and wanting to do. There i can't help and advise you as i have never attempted anything like that before. In theory, that may possibly work, but to me that's a long shot that may not. Remember, if you try and add another torsion bar as you say, you will have one hell of a powerful uplift on the lid. It would be overkill, especially without a spoiler sitting on the deck.As i say, my idea does work, so do give it some thought.

Greg:)
Cool Thanks Greg, maybe I'll add some lead weights to it stop it from flying off and hitting some poor sod in the face.

But if all fails at least I have what you suggested to fall back on.

Tony

 
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