Bore Gauge, Micrometer, Plastigauge

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Born an I-6, spent the teenage, 20 and 30 years as a 302, but at 40 will reach full potential as a 351C.
I spent roughly 7 hours over the past 2 weekends blueprinting my crankshaft, engine block, and connecting rods.

A large part of that time was just setting up the measuring devices, learning, screwing up, learning, screwing up, and learning some more. If I had a machine shop, I would just have tools on the shelf ready to go for the job. But, such is not the case of a 2 car garage mechanic. I also took the time to compare the plastic alternative(plastigauge) to mechanical measuring. Anything for you guys.

In the end, I am convinced my machinists did an unbelievable job on my motor as all measurements were consistent to the specs- dead in the middle of the tolerances.

Also, at least for me, the plastigauge worked/compared perfectly to the measurements I took. Perhaps this will encourage other builders here to test the plastigauge themselves.

I write up will be forthcoming, ENGINE BLUEPRINTING FOR NON/SLIGHTLY INTERESTING ENGINE BUILDERS, but for those who are in the process, decide on your own about the plastigauge. I have lots of plastigauge left.

And, for the record I used a FOWLER Bore Gauge, +/- .01mm=.000394 inches...don't remember the micrometer brand, but it was Japanese. (More on why you SHOULD consider metric devices in a later post)

The tools were borrowed. Otherwise I was looking at $450+. If you are going to use mechanical measuring devices, you should give yourselves a couple of weeks to procure them. I was looking for 3 weeks without any luck. I was hoping to buy a gauge and then resell to recoup my cash.

Later.

 
What the hey were you doing 17 months ago when I was ordering Plastigauge by the gross and had to take a 5 month sabbatical from 7173mustangs just to keep my moroseness off the forum?? Huh?? Heck, they sent out the Milk Carton guys to find me, which explains why I'm even posting today.

And trying to borrow a Vernier scale to balance things, without raising eyebrows, is a trick in itself. Especially without a medical card.

Best wishes with your blueprint, Mr. Johnny-Come-Lately. Being hows your within only 3 or 4 tanks of gas away from Winnemucca, I might have to pay you a visit. I'll be at the train station in downtown LA on December 21 at 2:17AM. Hope to see you there.

 
.... I'll be at the train station in downtown LA on December 21 at 2:17AM. Hope to see you there.
I am the guy sleeping on the bench with an LA Times over my head. Don't be afraid to wake me up as I may dose off by 2:17am.

 
.... I'll be at the train station in downtown LA on December 21 at 2:17AM. Hope to see you there.
I am the guy sleeping on the bench with an LA Times over my head. Don't be afraid to wake me up as I may dose off by 2:17am.
:p The wife and I are taking a Pacific Coast train trip for Christmas. We're supposed to arrive in LA on the 21st at 2:17AM, and we'll be in LA until we leave for Seattle on the morning of the 23rd. If I see you I'll give you a nudge and buy you a cup of coffee. :)

 
And here I thought I was going to find out plastigauge was why I keep blowing up motors!
It's hard to keep the attention of these young generation people. 3 or 4 posts is all the time you have to make your point.

Getting back to the plastigauge, maybe you did not remove the plastigauge?

Plastigauge has been used for YEARS by many people. My engine consultants, 2 of them, have used plastigauge to check their machine shop contractors work for 30+ years, 50-75 motors. They still use it today.

Neither of my consultants thought of using a micrometer to measure the crank with the plastigauge on it. They too are curious of my results.

Of course, my results are not scientific. But they are interesting.

So, go ahead and commit yourself to an answer: Did the measurement of the crank + plastigauge give a reasonable measurement of bearing clearance?

 
A. I've trusted plastigauge for years but only after like you verifying with my dads Sterret because he didn't believe it worked either.

B. What if's are what make GREAT motors.

C. I've never blown an engine but have paid a bad machine shop to show me how it's done.

D. Should have always listened to Dad because if I had and checked myself. C never would have happened.

 
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So basically you want to reinvent the wheel:huh:
Well...kind of. I just want to make it easier for blokes like myself to properly inspect our machinists.

And, I think everyone would agree, a micrometer is a lot easier to use and a lot less likely to damage your parts than a bore gauge. A micrometer might be worth investing in because it has a lot more uses as well.

In going through my motor, every step of the way, I have been thinking "how can this be done easier, faster, cheaper and still yield near perfect results."

Because I don't do this every day, I am not held hostage to prior methods. But then again, I don't know what has been tried and failed either. Records of failure are not kept nearly as well as records of success...wow. I will have to remember that for a future signature.

 
A post worthy of Wolverines approval

Some of the most successful products in history, from the Ford Model T to the iPod, were not inventions. Why being best to market, rather than first, is the true predictor of success.

In The Republic, Plato famously wrote, "Necessity is the mother of invention." What the esteemed Greek philosopher failed to mention is that reinvention is the way to build the mother of all companies.

Innovation is the current buzzword, but in many ways, it's become an overused term that means all things to all people. Anything can be "innovative," regardless if it's more of the same, or a revolutionary product that doesn't make things better. (Did the Segway really change your life?) A reinvention, however, is specific: It involves taking something that already exists, improving it, and making it the industry standard. A reinvention has the added benefit that somebody else has already done some of the legwork of getting established in the marketplace.

"When somebody invents something, it usually means there's a high level of consumer education," says Eric Ryan, co-founder of San Francisco-based Method, a company specializing in green cleaning products with sleek designs. "The most successful things find a new way to differentiate on top of a set of established behaviors. We didn't invent home cleaning, we just found a new way to do it."

It may sound less sexy than "invention" and less futuristic than "innovation," but throughout the history of American business, reinvention has been the backbone of entrepreneurial success.

Henry Ford is one of the first titans who, in essence, reinvented the wheel. He was far from the first auto manufacturer to develop a four-wheeled gas-powered car. That would be Gottlieb Daimler in 1886, 17 years before the Ford Motor Company was incorporated. Ford, however, pioneered features such as lightweight vanadium steel, removable cylinder heads, a suspension designed to handle America's rural roads and a one-piece underside shell in his easy-to-maintain-or-modify Model T.

More importantly, Ford reinvented Oldsmobile's rudimentary assembly line. "He was the first to bring the work to the workers, making this a real assembly line and one that remains the standard," says Russ Banham, author of The Ford Century. "Previous manufacturing methods, in which workers moved from one part of the factory to another building a car, took so much time the finished automobile was unaffordable for average Americans." By adding a movable conveyor belt to the assembly line, Ford cut down production time from more than 12 hours to 93 minutes. Between 1913 and 1927, the company would produce some 15 million Model Ts, changing the automotive and economic landscape forever.

The 21st century version is perhaps best exemplified by the iPod. Although the digital music player is now nearly as ubiquitous as a toaster in the kitchen, the device only made its debut in November 2001, a few years after mp3 players like the Rio PMP-300 hit the market. And while the original scroll-wheel iPod was powerful, offering 5 GB of storage that could hold 1,000 songs, it was also expensive, at $400. The iPod proved so popular that even at that price, many users quit (or at least slowed) their illegal downloading by switching to the more streamlined and user-friendly iTunes.

"It seems to me that the true visionaries are the ones who look at the same equation that everyone else is looking at and still come out with something that changes the game," says Robert B. Tucker, President of The Innovation Resource and author of Driving Growth Through Innovation. "In the case of Apple, they saw the growth of mp3 along with the problem of illegal downloads, so they came out with iTunes, a system that offers a complete solution to the customer."

Apple had the same impact on the marketplace as Ford, selling more than 210 million million iPods worldwide. As of June 2008, 5 billion songs have been downloaded from iTunes, which has also become the dominant player in digital TV and movie downloads. Apple is constantly reinventing its successes. "The iPhone is nothing more than a product extension of the iPod," says Ryan. "It's a major breakthrough in the way phones are set up, but before it came out, any of us who has a Mac or an iPod knew how it worked." Available for less than two years, total sales of the iPhone (and iPod touch) have hit 37 million.

Not all reinventions have to be technological advances, however. Some are variations that change the market for reasons beyond the product itself. Take Grey Goose vodka, which was created and introduced by Sidney Frank in 1997. Grey Goose upset the vodka shelf by making it the "it" drink of the young and beautiful. To give it cache, Frank created the premium spirit with a French distiller and packaged it in a lustrous bottle with a "Tricouleur" graphic and sold for $30.

"We submitted two bottles to the Beverage Testing Institute, and Grey Goose won as the best-tasting vodka in the world," the late Frank told Inc. in September 2005. "So we took $3 million, which was going to be our total profit for a year, and we put it into advertising. We made big, beautiful ads that listed Grey Goose as the best-tasting vodka in the world, and we indoctrinated the distributors and 20,000 bartenders, and when somebody would come in and say, What's your best-tasting vodka, they said Grey Goose."

Being a "lead user" of a product is often the first step on the road to reinvention according to Eric von Hipple, professor in the Innovation and Entrepreneurship program at MIT, and author of Democratizing Innovation (available here as a free download). "Successful entrepreneurs are often the lead users of the product themselves who try different variations while the market is still small and uncertain," says, "The opportunities come out of understanding the communities they serve."

A prime is example is Under Armour, which came out of Kevin Plank's desire to have a workout T-shirt that deflected perspiration rather than absorbing it. As a former University of Maryland football player, Plank knew the ins-and-outs of the athletic community he targeted.

Is it possible to set out with the goal of achieving a reinvention? Ryan says that Method has always been a "challenger" brand looking for ways to upset the status quo. They've even gone so far as to downplay the key aspect of Method's products because it could have thwarted their plans of reinvention. When the company launched in 2001, being labeled "green" was a detriment, so Ryan and co-founder Adam Lowry minimized the environmentally friendly aspects of the cleaning products, even though it was the heart of why they started Method.

"Our company philosophy is to not sell poison, but for the first two years, we didn't have anything on the front of the cleaning products about being non-toxic, we focused on the packaging and fragrance," Ryan says. "Only after customers got it home and found out it works would they have the discovery it's also good for the planet." Times have changed, and the $100 million company now features the eco-properties of the brand more prominently in Method's marketing. Ryan says the company is currently aiming to reinvent personal care with its lotions, body washes and baby bubble bath.

Reinvention is not just for upstarts anymore, as corporate titans have learned in recent years. Travelocity founder and former CEO Terry Jones built the online travel agency company while working as CIO for Sabre, which was in the in-house IT arm of American Airlines. American's CEO provided the funding, Jones says, because he knew a shift to online booking and ticketing was inevitable. Jones moved his team off campus and put together a staff that mixed younger IT folks with veterans from travel. Created in 1996, Travelocity would eventually become its own entity, but the incubator for the first online travel agency was at American Airlines. Jones's experience as a start-up tucked away inside a huge corporation shows it's possible for business owners of any kind to create the company mindset that leads to reinvention.

"Our philosophy was we were still a travel agent, just a very different kind of travel agent, but we had a culture that celebrated experimentation and didn't punish failure," Jones says. "You never know where the idea is going to come from that breaks the paradigm."

These days, one of Jones's endeavors is serving as chairman at Kayak.com. It's a search engine referral service for flights, hotels, cruises, and such, but it doesn't issue tickets like Travelocity. Rather, Kayak directs customers to the airlines and so forth, so it's not a travel agency in the traditional sense.

In other words, a reinvention.

 
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