Firearms Advice Needed!

[hyena429]

Frangible rounds may penetrate more/further than they claim, but it's a fact that Ball ammo will penetrate further than hollow point which will penetrate further than frangible.

And... even if frangible ammo makes it through a wall, it will carry less energy into its next impact.

Well.Some like corbon..May explode with out penatrating much at all...I seen that my self when shooting at meat and have some defensive rounds fly apart or just bounce back...Like balistic101 is talking about... "It is supposed to stop a bad guy yet disintegrate upon impact with a hard surface such as drywall. Wow, it sounds like some sort of miracle bullet. Smart choice right?

Not exactly. The hype and claims are not always entirely true. In tests frangible ammunition fails to penetrate deep enough to damage a vital organ or tissue. Usually only 4 to 6 inches in ballistic gelatin before disintegration. These high velocity light weight bullets do not penetrate as well as heavy slow ones and disintegrate much to fast.

 

[Don65Stang]

Yep, Well said.

I really enjoy shooting suppressed subsonic .22 and subsonic .38 special. I have a couple setups where the sound from the hammer fall is louder than the shot... And teh sound of the bullet slapping teh target is even louder

Although, I would never use a suppressor for self defense... A good prosecutor would have a field day.

How hard is it/what kind of hoops to jump through to become suppressor legal? I've always thought about doing this but never really looked into it.

 

[hyena429]

Yep, Well said.

I really enjoy shooting suppressed subsonic .22 and subsonic .38 special. I have a couple setups where the sound from the hammer fall is louder than the shot... And teh sound of the bullet slapping teh target is even louder

Although, I would never use a suppressor for self defense... A good prosecutor would have a field day.

How hard is it/what kind of hoops to jump through to become suppressor legal? I've always thought about doing this but never really looked into it.

I have alittle...You have to do the paper work and apply for a 200 dollar tax stamp "just like full auto and hidden guns" I had a little wallet gun..That hid inside a wallet with a finger hole so if some one asked for your wallet..You could pull it out and cap them..lol...And had to do alot of research on it few years ago...All counts if they deny you..Kinda like getting a concealed permitt.....Full auto...Concealed guns that look like something else..and silenced guns...all fall under the same area.

legal for ownership by private citizens in 39 states, and by licensed dealers and manufacturers in another four states:

Private Ownership Legal: AL, AK, AR, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MI, MO, MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY.

If you are a RESIDENT of one of the states listed above you may purchase a silencer through a licensed dealer in your home state. If you OWN a second home in one of the states listed above, you may be considered a part-time resident of that state while residing in your second home and you may be able to purchase a suppressor from a dealer in that state

http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/GEMTECH-F-A-Q-d7.htm#1 pretty good read on silenced

 

[CZ-75]

Yep, it all depends on your state. Some of them that are legal have further restrictions than just federal paperwork. For example, in Louisiana, you have to apply to the state to import a silencer along with the usual federal paperwork.

Assuming Alabama doesn't have anything like that, here is what you do:

Find a local class 3 dealer. What that really means is a a gun store that also holds a Type 3 Special Occupational Tax (SOT). That store may have silencers in stock or they may have to order from a Type 2 SOT holder (manufacturer). Or, if you are lucky enough to have a local Type 2 manufacturer, then you can purchase directly from them as long as they are in Alabama.

So... Anyone in a free state (that allows suppressors) can apply to have a silencer transfered to them via an approved Form 4, which involves paying a one-time $200 transfer tax.

Form 4 in duplicate with passport style photos attached and also with a Chief LAw Enforcement Officer's signature, Duplicate FBI fingerprint cards, a check for $200 and a signed certificate of citizenship.

It sounds daunting, but it's really not that bad. I have 6 silencers and 4 Short Barreled Rifles, and used to have 2 machineguns.

The Form 4s can take anywhere from a few months to 9 months to get approved.

Best thing to do is find a local class 3 dealer and talk to them.

NOW... my suggestions about what silencers to get.

First... Don't skimp and try to save a few dollars by buying a lesser expensive one without doing your research... the most expensive silencer you can buy is the one you end up being unhappy with... They have little resale value because you will never recoup that one time transfer tax. And even if you do sell it, whoever buys it will need to pay teh next transfer tax before they can take posession of it.

Second... Understand that teh term "suppressor" is generally more accepted than "silencer." "Silencer" is teh legal term used by the BATFE, but it is misleading... very few suppressor/gun/bullet combinations are hollywood quiet. Any supersonic round is still going to be LOUD due to teh sonic crack the bullet makes as it breaks the sound barrier. So.. subsonic rounds generally suppress better than supersonic rounds of teh same caliber. Soem rounds are naturally subsonic, like teh .45. BUT... the larger the diameter, the harder to suppress. So a subsonic 9mm (including .38 special) i seasier to suppress than a .45. And a subsonic .22 is even easier to suppress.

OK, so follow me here... You can shoot .22 through a silencer made for a .223, but you cannot shoot a .223 through a can built to only handle .22. even though they have almost identical diameters, teh .223 produces WAY too much pressure for a can built for the little .22. So, one would conclude that you should never buy a .22 dedicated can beacause all you have to do is buy one desined for a .223 and use it for both calibers. BUt that is not always true if you are wanting teh maximum suppression with .22. Due to teh very large gas volume in a .223, the .223 cans are designed with fairly large expansion chambers (the first chamber inside teh can that the bullet travels through. That is great for a .223 becasue it has a lot of gas to slow down and cool. But with a .22 it can cause a phenomenom called "first round pop" which is where the oxygen inside teh suppressor ignites and makes it not very efficient at suppression. But then the next shot is nice and quiet becaus ethe oxygen is replaced with spend gasses.

I could go on and on... but there is so much information, and exceptions to rules, that it would be impossible to get it all here. If anyone is interested in silencers, shoot me an IM with your phone number and we can talk.

 

[caspianwendell]

It's not legal in AR to own a silencer by anyone but law enforcement without a class III license just like full auto weapons, however concealed carry permits are easily obtained here. I am very good friends with several law enforcement officers in AR so I know the info above is incorrect, plus I helped in research and development for Umarex USA in ft smith and am very versed in this matter...LOL

 

[CZ-75]

All NFA items (Machineguns, Silencers, Short Barreled Rifles and shotguns and AOWs) are legal in Ohio.

I had heard that Arkansas is now legal for gun dealers to posess silensers even without a class three SOT. If that's true, get yourself a C&R license and have at it. Although, I may be confusing you with Missouri.

I apologize in advance for the cell phone video and the watermark.. I needed to download a free video converter to get the vid off my cell phone.

.38 Special shot through a large volume suppressor:

 

[Don65Stang]

Even with the watermark thats awesome. I want one. What brand is it?

I've got to pull the trigger on this and get leally suppressed. I have some raccoons that show up on my deck every so often and eat the leftover cat food. I've killed one with a bb gun but that didn't go too well. It was quiet but took something like 15 shots to get it to fall out of the tree it climbed after the first shot. I've told my immediate subdivision neighbor that if he hears a gunshot around 10 pm or so to not worry because it'll be me taking one out.

 

[CZ-75]

It's a Gemtech MK9K, which is really designed as a submachinegun suppressor, but also works great with just about anything in the .30/.38/9mm caliber, other than a heavy rifle cartridge like .308.

There are a bunch of 9mm silencers that are amazingly quiet. And there are a bunch of .22 that are amazingly quiet.

I have a Ruger 22 bolt action that is so quiet, I could kill a raccoon by shooting out the kitchen window at 2:00AM and nobody in the house would know it

 

[caspianwendell]

All NFA items (Machineguns, Silencers, Short Barreled Rifles and shotguns and AOWs) are legal in Ohio.

I had heard that Arkansas is now legal for gun dealers to posess silensers even without a class three SOT. If that's true, get yourself a C&R license and have at it. Although, I may be confusing you with Missouri.

I apologize in advance for the cell phone video and the watermark.. I needed to download a free video converter to get the vid off my cell phone.

.38 Special shot through a large volume suppressor:

In AR it's a felony to have these in your possession without a class III, and registered...

 

[CZ-75]

OK, this is not a silencer, but it is also a legally owned NFA item.

It is a registered Fleming sear inside a HK-91 host, shooting a 20-round magazine of .308.

Is there a better way to stoke a fire? Watch the campfire as my nephew opens up on a target nearby.

 

[caspianwendell]

Very cool CZ