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Yeah I have been thinking about this a lot. I think I am going to use the 4.10's to see what its like then decide whether to put in a 3.54 later. I like the idea of 2 rear ends but the Dana 60 is getting hard to find for the 71 and when you do they cost more than a GV unit. I see that GV makes the Pistol Grip handles with the overdrive switch built into the top of the grip and doesn't distract from the looks at all and you don't need the foot switch and it would be easier to remove than the rear if I want the OE setup at any time. I also like the idea of having a 8 speed in the car.

 

Going to make this as close to factory looking as possible with the only possible exception of the GV unit / rear gear ratio. Been acquiring all the parts with the correct casting numbers and dates and am avoiding changing the exhaust to the tips instead of the turndown pipes for example. This is killing me because I like some of the different options but I decided to keep everything matching the Fender Tag. The car was made in Canada so it used parts produced there so with the air cleaner I searched for one that would match for example. The decal was wrong so I changed it to the correct one, should be 440 Six Pack vice the Magnum 440 Six Pack in the previous pic I posted. Never done a car with this detail so I thought I'd give it a try.

 

BTW, if anyone knows where I can find the factory assembly line markings and stamps that was used let me know. Found some but not nearly all of them. I was able to find the correct crayon markers and paints but not the actual details of where and what the exact markings were. I saw that Graveyard Cars has a manual they use and have asked them but no reply yet. They probably are keeping this info to themselves so the competition doesn't have this info.

thx

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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The car was made in Canada so it used parts produced there so with the air cleaner I searched for one that would match for example. The decal was wrong so I changed it to the correct one, should be 440 Six Pack vice the Magnum 440 Six Pack in the previous pic I posted. Never done a car with this detail so I thought I'd give it a try.

 

 

thx

 

I wondered about why it was SIX PACK and not the typical (for Plymouth) SIX BARREL. So Canadian three carb cars were all SIX PACKs? Too many details for my head.

 

If you can't get anywhere on the stamps I can try to get the question in to Galen. He helped me find a SIX BARREL set up for my Wife's '70 440 Cuda engine. I don't really know him but he is a good friend of one of my friends.

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The car was made in Canada so it used parts produced there so with the air cleaner I searched for one that would match for example. The decal was wrong so I changed it to the correct one, should be 440 Six Pack vice the Magnum 440 Six Pack in the previous pic I posted. Never done a car with this detail so I thought I'd give it a try.

 

 

thx

 

I wondered about why it was SIX PACK and not the typical (for Plymouth) SIX BARREL. So Canadian three carb cars were all SIX PACKs? Too many details for my head.

 

If you can't get anywhere on the stamps I can try to get the question in to Galen. He helped me find a SIX BARREL set up for my Wife's '70 440 Cuda engine. I don't really know him but he is a good friend of one of my friends.

 

I would appreciate that. I sent mail to Galen but no response yet and I am running into a brick wall right now trying to find that info.

thx

-john

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Got the 440-6 HP dual point Prestolite distributor. Not looking forward to going back to points, hopefully it works ok. Must admit that these parts are quite heavy and they did not worry about weight savings back then.

 

Was also researching the timing that was used on this motor and it is supposed to be 5* BTDC which seems quite low, my mustang is using 14*. The 440 4V is TDC which is odd to me. Anyone know if this is really what they used? The idle for the 6 Pack is also listed as 900 rpm which seems quite high to me.

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-john

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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I think its 5 degrees with out vacuum connected so around 13-15 degrees connected. That's from all my experience with exactly 1 440 6pack that was owned by a friend of a friend lol. so you would probably want to cross check that info.

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Had the Dana 60 shipped to me and picked it up today. The previous owner put a different rear in but since its not currently on the car I have it now so that I can go over it and get it ready for the rebuild. Going to replace brake lines, rebuild the brakes and strip off the paint and reshoot it. Then put it in storage until it's ready to go back on where it belongs. Not a very good pic. I'll have the complete 440 in Feb sometime. It's at the machine shop having all the work done and then assembly. They are going to shoot a break-in video and I'll post once I have it.

 

BTW the car has only a little over 35,000 miles on it.

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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I found the thermal fan clutch and the 18 1/2 " 7 bladed fan that came with the car. I ordered the correct stamps for the pieces and will get them all cleaned up and store them away until I start putting it back together again.

 

On a side note because of the 4.10 rear I am considering using a GV to make it more freeway friendly. I did find a replacement tranny that uses the same A833 case but has the overdrive in it. It is a 5 speed and is a direct replacement for the 4 speed and looks exactly the same and ships with the Hurst 5 speed shifter that accepts the pistol grip shifter.. In overdrive it is .70 and would make the rear quivalent to 2.87 in OD. Here is that tranny:

http://www.passonperformance.com/images/stories/passon_documents/Passon_5-Speed_Flyer_2010-11-18.pdf

 

There is a 12 month wait for it right now because of demand but if I order it it would be ready by the time I got the car done. Got to think about this some more.

 

Pics of the fan parts that I got.

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-john

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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There are a few guys running that box here in Aus with good result. Very popular with the people that have turboed cars

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There are a few guys running that box here in Aus with good result. Very popular with the people that have turboed cars

 

Are you familiar with their Hemi conversion kit? Looks like they just swap out the internals and 4th becomes the OD. It a much more economical way to go and you keep the original case so its still numbers matching. With the 4.10 it will turn 2550 RPM at 65 MPH.

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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These passon conversions pretty good,I know of 1 that is behind a 505 wedge in a 69 charger it has held to the torque for about 2yrs now and another on a boosted 360 stroker in a VF valiant

 

Yes I believe the hemi conversion replaces all the internals then just turns 4th into OD so your 4.11s would effectively be 3.23s there was a write up in hot rod awhile back they said good things and the new internals look good.

 

I suppose it comes down to time and budget. If you have time I would go for the 5 speed personally but that's just me.

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These passon conversions pretty good,I know of 1 that is behind a 505 wedge in a 69 charger it has held to the torque for about 2yrs now and another on a boosted 360 stroker in a VF valiant

 

Yes I believe the hemi conversion replaces all the internals then just turns 4th into OD so your 4.11s would effectively be 3.23s there was a write up in hot rod awhile back they said good things and the new internals look good.

 

I suppose it comes down to time and budget. If you have time I would go for the 5 speed personally but that's just me.

 

I won't be ready for it for about a year or so and I sort of like the idea of a 5 speed too. I have already sent them mail to see how much of a deposit I need to put down to get my place on the list. When I factor the cost of the GV and a rebuild of the 4 speed if it needs it I am at the cost of this new gear box anyway. Thx for the help.

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Wow that is so awesome stuff John [WINKING FACE] Looking forward to seeing this project my friend [WINKING FACE][THUMBS UP SIGN] Regards Lars

 

So I'm a proud owner of one Mach 1 73! Regards Lars DK73 😎

So I'm a proud owner of one Mach 1 73! Regards Lars DK73:whistling:

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Passon Performance is not taking deposits yet and have a 12 to 18 month waiting list at this time. Since there are no mods needed for this I can just install the A-833 for the time being and replace with the A-855 when they are available.

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(jbojo)

351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Sounds good. Big wait list hope that that's an endorsement in its self.

 

There is an A833 5 speed out of trucks and A bodies but it has a small input shaft so not ideal for big blocks and to much mucking around for you. They are getting popular here on all our 318 360 cars but the Passon performance option seems way better and looks correct for your build.

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Sounds good. Big wait list hope that that's an endorsement in its self.

 

There is an A833 5 speed out of trucks and A bodies but it has a small input shaft so not ideal for big blocks and to much mucking around for you. They are getting popular here on all our 318 360 cars but the Passon performance option seems way better and looks correct for your build.

 

I got on their waiting list today so hopefully this time next year I will have the parts and hope to be putting it back together then. Thx for all the help and suggestions.

-john

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Some of the 440 parts are beginning to come back from the Machine shop now. Short block should be done by next week. Block was bored 30 over and cleaned up nicely. More to come.

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351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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I was able to locate a repro Distributor Data tag that I am missing and it will have the correct PN, assembly line code and build date (25th week of 1970). It will look like the attached pic.

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-john

(jbojo)

351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Wow that is some awesome engine's stuff! Block looks good John😎[THUMBS UP SIGN] You must be excited about this project [WINKING FACE] Regards Lars

 

So I'm a proud owner of one Mach 1 73! Regards Lars DK73 😎

So I'm a proud owner of one Mach 1 73! Regards Lars DK73:whistling:

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  • 2 weeks later...

Motor coming along nicely, heads came back from machine shop today. A few pics of the progress.

 

Cam Spec:

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-john

(jbojo)

351C 4V cc heads, 10.5 : 1 CR, 290 Herbert cam, Flat top forged pistons, forged connecting rods, Atomic efi,

C6 with Gear Vendor overdrive, 3.89 Tru Trac, Hooker Super Comp with 2 1/2" Pypes Exhaust.        

 

Some Mod pictures can be seen at: [button=http://www.7173mustangs.com/forum-garage?filterxt_uid=2026]Bojo's Garage[/button]

 

 

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Coming along nicely. Cam is a good choice slightly bigger than a mopar purple cam similar to a hemi grind should make for some no muss fun.

Your thread always reminds me how much I like chrysler stuff.

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