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EDIT: See page #2 for pictures and detail breakdowns (plus Eleanor's front end clip and VIN swap!), and page #3 for Ron Moore's damning interview.

 

I'll post screenshots once I have the time, but after viewing Halicki's film tonight, I have a few observations I'd like to share:

 

Expanding on some interior comments made in the past:

 

1. The damaged Eleanor has the standard '71/72/73 Mustang interior, dash and door panels. The standard door panel is visible as Halicki exits the damaged Eleanor at the car wash, and the closeup of the dash on the highway - a standard dash - shows us that the car has no tachometer (and therefore no instrumentation group).

 

Yet, as the damaged Eleanor exits the car wash - amongst a number of other scenes - we see Clarion Knit seats from a Deluxe interior installed in this car. The "Eleanor Raceway 2000" segment at the end of the film shows that the wrecked Eleanor has Deluxe Clarion Knit seats, but they've been re-upholstered, and not factory correct either: The vertical vinyl accent stripes are black; they should be dark silver (as seen in the film, when visible).

 

2. The "beauty" Eleanor has a Deluxe interior (deluxe dash bezel, woodgrain center, deluxe door panels), but carries the standard Ruffino/Corinthian Vinyl seats. The standard seats are also seen as Halicki pries the door latch on Eleanor #2.

 

The closeup of Halicki buckling up at the International Towers shows a bare driveshaft hump paired with the standard seats, indicating that this deluxe interior car was ordered without the full center console.

 

However, a scene just after the Moran Cadillac segment - plus those at the car wash - show a tachometer in the dash and gauges on the center dash panel. This car has the instrumentation group.

 

Final conclusiosn?

 

Wrecked Eleanor is a factory standard-interior car without the instrumentation group, wearing the deluxe seats from Beauty Eleanor.

Beauty Eleanor is a factory deluxe-interior car w/the instrumentation group, wearing the standard seats from Wrecked Eleanor. This car, despite the deluxe interior, was ordered with a shortie console (or had the original removed).

 

Why were the seats swapped? Who knows. Beauty Eleanor has a pair of aftermarket speakers installed in the interior quarter panels, so I have a hunch that Halicki did not buy these cars new.

 

-Kurt

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The '71-with-a-'73 grille is old news (though Mustang Monthly succeeded in screwing this bit of information up - and despite an email to Mr. Farr prior to leaving MM, nobody fixed it), though we still don't know whether it is a 02 Sportsroof or an 05 Mach 1, nor do we know whether it is a '71, or a '72 with the flip-down cap installed.

 

Someone from this group should make a beeline for the car the next time that Denise Halicki brings it out for an independent showing of the film. Get the VIN and pull a Marti for once.

 

As the film came out in 74, they didn't want the car to look dated, but needed a big block, so used a 71 and made it look like a 73.

 

Not what I've heard. Halicki's poorly written website claims a 351, to which some people have assumed a 351W, and others a 351C. Seeing that Halicki pulled every last thing off of Wrecked Eleanor to build it, anything is possible:

 

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I wouldn't suspect or suppose anything - short of what is obvious in the film - until I see that VIN.

 

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Even so, one would need the VIN off a frame part. I would not assume that the dash pad is original with all this tearing apart and rebuilding.

Just like the seats seem to have been swapped they could easily have mismatched the dash pads. I don't think they really cared about which part belonged to which car when they put them together. .

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Even so, one would need the VIN off a frame part. I would not assume that the dash pad is original with all this tearing apart and rebuilding.

Just like the seats seem to have been swapped they could easily have mismatched the dash pads. I don't think they really cared about which part belonged to which car when they put them together. .

 

If they had put them together that sloppily, we wouldn't have seen otherwise correct interiors with only the seats swapped.

 

Remember, the beauty car really didn't need to be torn apart.

 

Speaking of which, does anyone have information whether the beauty Eleanor was sold off in Denise Halicki's auction, or was it kept with the wrecked Eleanor (which is noted in multiple interviews as still in her possession)?

 

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I knew Toby somewhat, having met him in '74 at a premier for the movie, and had business dealings with him in the late 80's.

Straight from the horses mouth: "Eleanor" was in fact 2 separate vehicles. Both used 71's with 351 Clevelands bought used prior to production of the movie. Each was completely dissassembled and rebuilt by him and his body shop employees with his own design full-perimeter roll-cages.

The suspension was beefed up as much as possible and supplementary leaf-springs were installed in the front on one for anticipated jumps.

They were both fitted with 73 grilles to make them seem more current as filming started. The paint ciolor used was generic school-bus yellow...not any numbers-correct Ford color

 

The jump car was destroyed in the jump and sent to the junk yard. The remaining car was stitched and band-aided together to travel the country and make personal appearances with Halicki (where I met him originally)

 

That car has been hastily and cheaply repaired several times over the years just to keep it running.

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Interesting, at first 'glance' I thought he was standing in a Pantera body.

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I knew Toby somewhat, having met him in '74 at a premier for the movie, and had business dealings with him in the late 80's.

Straight from the horses mouth: "Eleanor" was in fact 2 separate vehicles. Both used 71's with 351 Clevelands bought used prior to production of the movie. Each was completely dissassembled and rebuilt by him and his body shop employees with his own design full-perimeter roll-cages.

The suspension was beefed up as much as possible and supplementary leaf-springs were installed in the front on one for anticipated jumps.

They were both fitted with 73 grilles to make them seem more current as filming started. The paint ciolor used was generic school-bus yellow...not any numbers-correct Ford color

 

The jump car was destroyed in the jump and sent to the junk yard. The remaining car was stitched and band-aided together to travel the country and make personal appearances with Halicki (where I met him originally)

 

Well, that explains it - though it must have been quite a bit of work to wreck the panels on the other car to match - though I dare say those fenders did get swapped.

 

Mind if I reference this bit of info on the Internet Movie Car Database? It's the first hard evidence to prove that only one Eleanor exists.

 

-Kurt

 

P.S.: All the more reason to go ahead with a Eleanor replica out of that '72 Q-code. Nobody else has ever done it right.

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There might be only one official "Elanor' today, but there were tow used for filming.

 

Toby accidentally hit a telephone pole and mangled the front fender and drivers suspension while exiting the Hollywood freeway during filming. The car was severely damaged and undriveable. The other car was brought in immediately on the spot and beat by hand with various sledgehammers and such to replicate the damage shown on the first car, and filming resumed almost immediately.

The first damaged car was used in the drive up to the car wash, and was repaired enough to film the jump. It eventually went to the junk yard.

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In the picture of him standing in the car, it looks like two cars have been grafted together just aft of the shock towers. It looks like a weld goes all the way around.

 

I think I remember reading some where that most of the cars in the movie (not just the Mustangs) were rebuilt wrecks as that was his business?

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He spent a couple of years acquiring cars to use in the production. He owned a salvage yard in Downey along with his cousin. They were both millionaires in thir early twenties. Between the salvage yard and local wholesale outlets he bought about a hundred various vehhcles to use as fodder for the film.

His business was always under investigatioin by the state, suspicious that it was a front for a chop-shop/ stolen vehicle business. Some feel the plot of the movie was him thumbing his nose at authorities.

His family owned salvage yards back in upstate New York, and there are stories of them being involved in illicit stuff for many years prior to this.

 

Who knows? he's dead...his goober wife/ widow basically has little clue how to retain the value of his remaining legacy. she was taken advantage of and lost the rights to much of the stuff she should not have.

 

I lost all my little-remaining repsect for Carroll Shelby when he sued for the right to own the name "Eleanor", even though that name never had ANYTHING to do with any car or image HE created.

The producers of the remake decided a "plain" Mustang would not fare well against the exotica they had planned on having in the movie, so they wanted to "update" the story to have it be a Shelby.

They then decided even an authentic Shelby GT500 would not look "tough" enough, so Shit Foose (Sorry, Chip Foose) was hired to "improve" the looks of it.

Nice car, looked great on film. Total fantasy though...that version never existed in reality.

 

Shelby says, "Who cares?". Started making "official" replicas of a car that never actually existed and designed by a guy he never met...with Sanderson down in Texas. (remember, Carroll Shelby never had ANYTHING to do with the name "Eleanor" or the original movie)

Somewhow, Denice Halicki LOST! How could she have lost the battle to keep the intellectual property that was 100% hers?

 

Oh well...I like the original movie much better. Too bad the new "improved" and remastered DVD replaced the ENTIRE soundtrack with all new effects, including the car and all engine sounds. Luckily I have the original DVD also.

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In the picture of him standing in the car, it looks like two cars have been grafted together just aft of the shock towers. It looks like a weld goes all the way around.

 

It looks like a front clip/shock tower replacement that only went up to the rear aprons, or preliminary reinforcement.

 

Either that...or the stories about Halicki's business were less fiction than truth, and he's replaced the entire front clip in order to change the shock tower VIN numbers in the process! Was Eleanor made out of a real stolen car? Or was it just another exercise by Halicki to piss off the authorities?

 

Notice that the forward aprons and both shock towers don't have the same uniform surface rust and dust as the rest of the shell.*

 

Makes you wonder.

 

All things considered, it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone were to tell me that he DID steal the Mustangs for the film. That front clip replacement reeks of an illegal VIN swap to me - regardless of how long ago it happened. Think about it. If someone were to post photos tomorrow of an identical "repair" on a potential '71-73 purchase, we'd all be screaming "stolen car with shock tower swap."

 

I call shenanigans here.

 

*Speaking of which, isn't that steering wheel down to a frame? Between that and the odd surface rust, I'm beginning to wonder if Halicki bought that unibody as a salvage car from a fire.

 

Toby accidentally hit a telephone pole and mangled the front fender and drivers suspension while exiting the Hollywood freeway during filming. The car was severely damaged and undriveable. The other car was brought in immediately on the spot and beat by hand with various sledgehammers and such to replicate the damage shown on the first car, and filming resumed almost immediately.

The first damaged car was used in the drive up to the car wash, and was repaired enough to film the jump. It eventually went to the junk yard.

 

NOTE: I have significantly edited my comment below (as of 5/2) due to a re-watch of the film.

 

Kit, I do not buy Halicki's story for one minute. Consider the logical flow of events as follows:

  1. In exactly ONE scene, both cars are seen at the car wash in their polar opposite forms. One mint, one wrecked.
  2. The wrecked car in said scene has the requisite LH fender damage from its encounter with the telephone pole.
  3. To have one car wrecked in that manner would have required the telephone pole encounter (and every other crash) to have already happened.
  4. Given #4, it would have been impossible for Halicki to wreck the second car for the telephone pole crash and resume filming immediately, unless he shot the car wash scenes beforehand.
  5. Yet, there is no way he shot the car wash scenes beforehand, because the wrecked Eleanor shows ALL of the damage it received from the pole and the film. Unless this guy was clairvoyant, it is impossible.

Additionally, the front end and LH quarter damage on the car that spins out on the highway is a virtually perfect match for the car that drives away from the pole.

 

However, the one shot of the car from the left (just after hitting the pole) does show more RH quarter damage than it had when it spun out - but the rest of the car appears the same.

 

The following sounds more probable:

  • The car hitting the pole is the same as the one leaving.
  • Some additional scenes were shot with this car (after repairing it) before the crew returned to the off-ramp to capture the remaining, post-crash insert shots.
  • ^ Hence the additional RH quarter damage.

 

Even though I don't quite trust anything from a Halicki anymore, Mustang Monthly's interview with Denice Halicki and Michael Leone correlates this theory:

Michael: When he hit the telephone pole' date=' he had to load Eleanor on a truck and take the pole too because they needed it for the next frame. They came back the next Sunday, dropped the pole off in its spot, and started filming again. They had to take the pole because if they didn't, the city would pick it up and they wouldn't be able to shoot the next scene.[/quote']

 

Given the time needed to film - and Halicki's penchant for using Sundays as a method to close off large roadways to himself without permits, this version of the story isn't too far fetched - and it doesn't have the issue of temporal paradox.

 

Oh well...I like the original movie much better. Too bad the new "improved" and remastered DVD replaced the ENTIRE soundtrack with all new effects, including the car and all engine sounds. Luckily I have the original DVD also.

 

From what I've heard, Phillip Kachaturian's original master for the "Gone in 60 Seconds" instrumental track was missing; hence the entire music replacement. Others say that Halicki's brother had a hand in writing some of the tracks and won't release the rights, etc, etc...

 

As with most stuff Halicki, the truth is lost somewhere between fact, fiction, and a bit of both on the side.

 

Any decent LA movie soundtrack company could have executed an accurate recreation/cover using period microphones to make up for the loss of the original. Makes you wonder why they didn't.

 

-Kurt

 

P.S.: The Deluxe-interior car started out as a manual-trans car. Watch as Halicki floors it to bash through the "ROAD CLOSED" barriers. Deluxe floor mat, narrow brake pedal, and a big void where the clutch pedal once was. Amusing, to say the least.

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Since I didn't mention it above, let me add my theory about why the beauty car disappeared:

 

Someone probably came too close to discovering that Halicki DID steal it and swap the front clip and dash VIN's; so Halicki let the "fairy godmother" take care of Eleanor the same way as Jill (The "000 GAL" Challenger from the start of the film) - dump the car into the shredder at the scrapyard.

 

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I think the pristine Eleanor shown at the car wash was a third car used only for the closing scenes of the movie, filmed long after Toby got out of the hospital and well enough to complete the film.

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I think the pristine Eleanor shown at the car wash was a third car used only for the closing scenes of the movie, filmed long after Toby got out of the hospital and well enough to complete the film.

 

So Kit, Who really killed Kennedy?

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Just cruising along minding our own business when BAM!!! The LAWS show up.

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Just a hypothesis based on a couple of conversations with him, thats all.

 

And Kennedy was shot by Lee harvey Oswald, but killed by George Hickey.

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Kit, I find it hard to believe that nobody mentioned a third car until now, which would bring the whereabouts of that one into question as well.

 

Honestly, there isn't enough in the film for me to positively ID the intact car in the one scene where both cars are in the same shot, but I did come up with some things upon tonight's viewing.

 

I'm providing photos of the previous observations of my past posts, plus new ones. I'm too tired to list everything, so I'll post my conclusions in the morning. In the meantime, please make do with the captions.

 

***Warning: SPOILERS HEREIN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM.***

 

First off, let me preface this by noting that the ONLY consistency measure that Halicki seemed to put effort into were the tires mounted to any given car. The beauty car wears both the dual-line white pinstripe tires and the Goodyears in the film, depending on the scene and the car it is representing.

 

Every single shot with a "beauty" Eleanor or interior shot uses the same Deluxe interior car with the standard seats. This is established when the car is driven off from International Towers. Note that the beauty car has speakers in the sportdeck inner quarter panel fillers:

 

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No center console; must be a shorty:

 

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Beauty car exits International Towers. This was shot separately from the crash immediately following, which substituted the crash car:

 

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Possibly the only shot of the crash car prior to any crash. Not enough details to see here:

 

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Halicki gets rear-ended by the Cadillac. The whole car bulges in the center for a second, and the left framerail and quarter permanently bend down from the hit. The beltline on the quarter bends down as well, and the panel puckers twice over the wheelhouse.

 

Note the strip of steel extending from behind the rear framerail - this is part of the "skidplate" installed in anticipation of shooting the jump later.

 

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From here on out, all damage scenes show a car with a sagging rear quarter and framerail. You can damage a framerail with a sledgehammer, but to bend the entire quarter of an intact car to perfectly match this one would be very difficult without a similar impact. Note that the car carries the sag to this day:

 

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Eleanor spins out. Only shot we have of the RH side before cutting to a different angle. Note the jagged, horizontal damage on the quarter, near the end cap:

 

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Car comes to a rest. Big impression in the fender, crumpled hood, flat front tire, rear leaf spring or a shackle gives out:

 

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Pole lands in FRONT of the car, while the lamp's shroud falls down behind the car:

 

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New angle, different camera, but the dust is still flying and the pole is in the proper location. Compare the damage to the end cap area of the RH quarter with the end cap damage in the previous spinout shot.

 

It's the same car and the same take - Halicki was just lucky to have a crew sitting on the off-ramp expecting to shoot the car jumping over the median to get to the exit ramp:

 

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We move to a new angle from the front. This begins the completely new take. The pole now sits on top of the car, while the lamp shroud is sitting on the trunk. RH fender has the exact same creases in it as the car that spun out into the pole.

 

Conclusion? Same car, different take - thus beginning the "new week" of filming after repairing the car and putting the light pole back into place (after running off with it following the previous shoot).

 

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Eleanor drives off; quarter has the correct creases in it, and it's sagging. Same car that pulls out from under the lamp, which is the same car that ran INTO the lamp and got repaired. Not the greatest shot to show the sag (the creases are plain as day though), but I'm not going back into VLC tonight to prove it.

 

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Eleanor comes off the highway. Same creases, dents, and bends - including the two creases on the rear quarter, which can't be replicated that easily.

 

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Halicki spins out after jumping. Skid plates are there, as are the two creases and the sag - with more to boot. The original crease marks remain there, along with the new ones:

 

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First car wash shot. Beauty Eleanor, and we don't know quite which one it is. There is a Mopar C-body fuselage car next to a pole.

 

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Halicki pulls into the car wash. Some sort of wagon/SUV crossover is parked under the Shakeys Pizza Parlor sign:

 

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Cutscene shows Halicki driving by with unknown beauty Eleanor in back. Kit has hypothesized the beauty car to be a third Eleanor; I disagree.

 

The beauty car seems to have a slight bumper gap here, but it's so small as to be debatable. Also take note that the wrecked Eleanor is the same one we've seen all along, with the skidplate straps from the jump, correct dents, sag, etc.:

 

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Back to the previous angle. The Mopar C-body is back there, so we know this and the shot from the road were taken at the same time.

 

The cutscene where both cars are visible at the same time may have been shot the same day with the same cars, but it was a different take - you would have seen the camera and crew next to the phone booth otherwise.

 

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Junker rolls up for a wash. Same wrecked car we've seen for the last 40 minutes. Lighting appears to be a bit past noontime/afternoon:

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Same car in the reverse shot too, with standard door panels. Also pay attention to the convertible first-gen Camaro convertible.

 

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Beauty Eleanor gets taken through the wash. Note that bumper gap, then compare it with the second picture from the warehouse sequence earlier in the film. Same car. Actress in the background is wearing the same dress as the later shots. Unusually good Halicki continuity here, which makes me think that this scene was NOT shot months before or later.

 

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Beauty Eleanor comes out of the wash. It's the International Towers interior/exterior beauty car - note those rear panel speakers (enhanced in the photo), if the deluxe interior with standard seats don't convince you.

 

Also note that the Camaro has now moved from the entrance (at the back of the building) to the front. Sunlight is not high in the sky like previous shots, and it appears to be setting. This was not shot the same day as the previous scenes - earlier or later, maybe.

 

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Beauty car drives off (Deluxe interior w/stnd. seats). Trunk has two rough spots.

 

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(Completely by chance, say "Hello" to what looks like the Vailiant from Duel in the background - though it appears to be a 2-door)

 

Wrecked Eleanor rolls out of the wash. Deluxe seats. Same wrecked car as the last 1000 shots - not a substitute - and the car that survives today (with the same exact damage).

 

Camaro is in the background; this was shot the same day as the previous scene ("we have to rewash it") with the beauty car. The Camaro and the '59 El Camino - along with some others - do some bouncing around the car wash, so these are likely Halicki's own vehicles, trucked in to fill the scenes.

 

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The LAPD rolls by the car wash in a '70 Montego (Gone in 60 Seconds Montego trivia: 1-Baker-11 is a '70 Montego as well, but the '70 grill inserts were removed and a '71 grill stuffed in the center as a quick replacement). The blue wagon/SUV is gone, and the parking lot at the hotel across the street has changed entirely. Not the same day as the previous take where Eleanor rolls in.

 

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Cutscene shows that the Camaro moved again. It shows up in the next shot when the Montego drives in, but this shot was not captured from the Montego as it rolled in, as no camera is visible in the car with the officers.

 

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Eleanor wreck is the same car that hit the pole and did the jump; damage matches up.

 

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Geez, that took a while...

 

-Kurt

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Just in case the use of the two cars appears confusing, here are a few more screencaps from this morning.

 

Halicki leaves International Towers and trades paint with 1-Baker-11 - but the window-to-window shots were filmed with the beauty car. Note the standard seats, the lack of any damage, and the front fender sitting where it belongs (not to mention Halicki grinning):

 

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Halicki plows through traffic. Passenger's seat is definitely Deluxe, which means this is the same wrecked Eleanor as at the car wash (and the same vehicle to survive today):

 

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Skidplates visible early in the Long Beach shots. They've been on the wrecked car since the start. The beauty car has NOT been set up with skidplates.

 

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Halicki crashes into some trash. The buckle design on the passenger's Deluxe seat is visible.

 

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The park scenes give us a really good look at the skid plate - more accurately, skid strips. Remember this detail and the bodyside damage - it will be of importance in a minute. Also take particular note of the rollcage along the interior A-pillar, which is superbly visible in this shot. The beauty car has no cage.

 

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Halicki rolls to a stop in the park. Passenger seat is Deluxe:

 

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Now - the ONLY time we get to see inside the wrecked Eleanor (other than looking forward towards the dashboard) is when Halicki puts his hands up. The rollcage is clearly visible at the left, and so is the Arriflex 35mm film camera mounted in the back seat area.

 

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Eleanor crawls forward. Someone here knew the skidplate would be too obvious, so the beauty car was substituted - not the slightest bit of damage on that fender. Looks like the crossmember did take a mild hit from something, but not from the film.

 

Also note that the shot is either early morning or late afternoon and does not match up, lighting-wise, with the previous park shots - not to mention that nobody is sitting in the grass behind the car.

 

On a side note, the hubcap on THIS wheel only is wrong. It's a thinner hubcap for a 14x6" wheel, and its polished, not brushed, which suggests a pre-1971 hubcap. Eleanor is riding on Mach 1-spec 14x7" rims, and the deeper trim rings reflect such. This is the only wheel to wear the wrong hubcap; the other three wear the deeper, correct hubcaps for the wider rim.

 

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Eleanor powers out. No damage (other than a slight nick at the door), while the wrecked car has acquired a crease on the forward section of the wheelwell and across the door at this point. Again, the beauty car has been substituted:

 

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And that's it for me.

 

My conclusions?

 

  1. As we see it in the film, Halicki never used anything but one wrecked Eleanor to play Wrecked Eleanor.
  2. Wrecked Eleanor's damage evolves from International Towers to the car wash. The evolution of damage is properly chronological, and no second car shows up at any point to represent it.
  3. Deluxe seats and skidplates unique to the wrecked car - and not in the beauty car - further confirm #2.
  4. The film shows no evidence that the beauty car was ever modified to accept a rollcage, negating that it received similar modifications as the wrecked car, or that it was used for stuntwork.
  5. Conclusion: A beauty car survived at the end of filming and was the same car that represented the beauty Eleanor at the car wash. Why not?
  6. Observation: Halicki says he had to crush "the other car."
  7. Conclusion: There is no possible "other car" than the beauty car. Hence, what car was there left to crush?
  8. Hypothesis: Why crush it? Front clip a bit too telling?

 

Was he really was an egomaniac car thief who was so smug about his ability to evade capture - and play the inefficiency of the VIN system - that he made a film about it, which nobody could nail him for?

 

Did he use two stolen cars to play the lead as icing on the cake?

 

Is Kit correct in that this film is essentially a huge middle finger salute to the auto theft division of every police force in the nation?

 

The soapbox is now open.

 

Curt, you never cease to amaze me. :)

 

I'd rather have a bit more sleep than amazement ;)

 

-Kurt


One last thing - I remembered reading one interview claiming that Halicki said he was a car thief. Found it after some Googling.

 

The following is a transcript of a live interview with Ronald D. Moore of Battlestar Galactica (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=17154):

 

Q: Who is the worst person you've ever worked for?

 

Moore: I worked for a crazy man once. The late great Toby Halicki. There once was a man named Toby Halicki who did two films. He did the original "Gone in 60 Seconds" and he later did a film called "The Junkman."

 

Essentially Toby was a car thief and he told us. He stole cars like in the early 70's and then made a film about it called "Gone in 60 Seconds." He was stealing cars to finance his film. He was a guerrilla filmmaker. Toby would shut down the freeway and just shoot a stunt without asking anyone's permission. He was truly a guerrilla filmmaker. He made a mint off the original "Gone in 60 Seconds."

 

Many years later he decided to make a sequel…Toby was looking for someone to writer the sequel to "Gone in 60 Seconds" so I went and I helped write it and Toby said "sure you can come write it and you can also come manage my toy business."

 

There is more to that interview, if you see the link. Ron Moore's words, not mine. I originally dismissed the equation the character of Maindrian Pace with the actual H.B. Halicki as Moore's spite and bitterness.

 

Just the same, that front clip swap and the "Incredible Disappearing Second Eleanor"...well, draw your own conclusions.

 

Here is a taped version of the Ron Moore interview. Again, draw your own conclusions:

 

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-Kurt

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"1.In exactly ONE scene, both cars are seen at the car wash in their polar opposite forms. One mint, one wrecked."

 

I believe I see another scene with both cars. Check right after the DJ mentions a chase happing in front of KFOX studios and before the old lady in park hits it with a umbrella. He turns a right corner and you see the rear of "Beauty Car" parked in car row on right. Then again from back seat of chase car.

 

Another observation...no steering wheel when cops tell him to put his hands on the windshield...;-)

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"1.In exactly ONE scene, both cars are seen at the car wash in their polar opposite forms. One mint, one wrecked."

 

I believe I see another scene with both cars. Check right after the DJ mentions a chase happing in front of KFOX studios and before the old lady in park hits it with a umbrella. He turns a right corner and you see the rear of "Beauty Car" parked in car row on right. Then again from back seat of chase car.

 

Another observation...no steering wheel when cops tell him to put his hands on the windshield...;-)

 

True, but that was before Halicki ran into the lamp post. The fate of the beauty car is only important after the lamppost scene - though I believe I've ascertained quite well that the shots taken later are with the exact same car.

 

Good catch on the steering wheel.

 

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