Dog dish caps

[Rmach1]

I'm so very "blah" on the dog dish hubcaps & rings.  These cars deserve more style than a set of generic 'van hubcaps.'  My Marti didn't specify anything with regards to wheels, so I'm pretty sure mine came with dog dishes, but since the rule of thumb being 'hubcaps as standard unless otherwise indicated,' I choose to believe that mine came with a set of sport caps, rather than the dog dishes.

Doesn't really matter though, since they're probably never going back on it, anyway.   :whistling:

These car’s deserve what each owner wishes to put on it for wheel’s. Not sure why you are choosing to slam the factory look for some car’s but, carry on...

I chose to refer to the Marti report as a baseline. I have the magnums and dog dish without trim rings because I like that simple look honoring chevy’s COPO cars. Some of my friends said I should go without caps all together and use just rims. So there are a lot of options. I also have a matte painted black hood, that a friend, who is a purist and res to specialist and has cars published in magazines, said I should have some green on the hood too.... just another opinion. Lastly I have the painted urethane bumper on a shelf because I personally like the chrome bumper. So the bottom line is unless you’re a purist and may sell your car as an original, we all should make it look like we want. So far I’ve had two pretty high offers for my car because the guys just want something different. No plans to sell as it’s my retirement project and I’m still enjoying the process. Oh forgot to tell you all but the paint color is a 1970 Lincoln dark green metallic... I bet a lot of folks will really hate that?!    thanks guys for an entertaining thread!!

 

[Mister 4x4]

I'm so very "blah" on the dog dish hubcaps & rings.  These cars deserve more style than a set of generic 'van hubcaps.'  My Marti didn't specify anything with regards to wheels, so I'm pretty sure mine came with dog dishes, but since the rule of thumb being 'hubcaps as standard unless otherwise indicated,' I choose to believe that mine came with a set of sport caps, rather than the dog dishes.

Doesn't really matter though, since they're probably never going back on it, anyway.   :whistling:

These car’s deserve what each owner wishes to put on it for wheel’s. Not sure why you are choosing to slam the factory look for some car’s but, carry on...

I chose to refer to the Marti report as a baseline. I have the magnums and dog dish without trim rings because I like that simple look honoring chevy’s COPO cars. Some of my friends said I should go without caps all together and use just rims. So there are a lot of options. I also have a matte painted black hood, that a friend, who is a purist and res to specialist and has cars published in magazines, said I should have some green on the hood too.... just another opinion. Lastly I have the painted urethane bumper on a shelf because I personally like the chrome bumper. So the bottom line is unless you’re a purist and may sell your car as an original, we all should make it look like we want. So far I’ve had two pretty high offers for my car because the guys just want something different. No plans to sell as it’s my retirement project and I’m still enjoying the process. Oh forgot to tell you all but the paint color is a 1970 Lincoln dark green metallic... I bet a lot of folks will really hate that?!    thanks guys for an entertaining thread!!

Ain't nothin' wrong with what you've got... or anybody else, for that matter.  ::thumb::

The dog dishes just kind of reminded me of all the police cars you see with black steel wheels and basic hub caps that only cover the lug nuts.  Simple look for minimal maintenance, which lots of guys went that way as well.  My thought is that muscle cars are somewhat flashy, so plain wheel covers are a little out of place.  Magnum 500s are also very cool and popular, but as many pictures of these cars with them out there kind of leads one to believe that all of them came with Magnum 500s as stock.  But I'm just one guy with my own opinions, just like everybody else.  

My urethane bumper is also on a shelf in favor of a chrome front bumper because my painter couldn't figure out how to primer it without cracking, but I also like the chrome front bumper look as well... so, I'm in no hurry to change it out.  Never going to sell mine, either.

 

[Hemikiller]

The hub caps have been called poverty caps around here pretty much universally since I was a teenager. That's what you saw on the real base model cars, whether it was Ford, GM or Mopars. As Bru noted, they were standard equipment on vans, pickups etc.

I guess a more accurate description would be "grandma caps", as most of them I ever saw on cars were older retired people who wanted a new vehicle, but weren't going to spring for any flash. We had an older couple up the street from my parent's house whose only car was a Hugger Orange 70 Camaro 6 popper w/the poverty caps. A family friend had a 4 door Maverick with them and my aunt had a 4 door 70's Nova with them as well.

 

[Bru]

My cousin in Bakersfield, Ca came back from Nam in '66 and ordered a canary yellow 4 door Belvedere with the skinny tires w/ poverty caps.

ie... a Grandma's car, stock to the bone. On the front fender, down low was a badge that said '426 HEMI' . No one believed it.

He had more fun kicking ass at stop lights and buying tires. Back then Bakersfield was a big racing town here in Cali.

Bru

 

[bucketlist fastback]

Ahh,     A subject I know something about.   When my father bought our “Grabber Yellow” 1971 Sportsroof   He custom ordered it strip of most all options except sport rear view mirrors, power steering, AM radio (Philco) so...  the dog dish caps and color key rims were probably standard issue.   When he brought it home from the dealership for the first time it looked sort of dorky..    at least that what me and my brother thought.   Those wheels were definitely yellow.   Dad returned to the dealership within a week for the trim rings..    memories.....

 

[Boss1Ray]

I do know that the hub caps had two different depths, one for cars and another for the van.

Since i went with the wider rim I chose the ones for the van.

Bru

Does anyone have part numbers for the different 71-3 Mustang  trim rings? 

I'd also be interested in the part number for the 15 inch ones you mention originally intended for the vans? 

Secluff maybe?  

 I THINK there were two different 14 inch trim rings offered, I guess one standard and the other just a little wider?  So the wider one would go with the 14x7 option and the other with the smaller standard wheel????? 

Just to throw more mud in the water -  what I have seen might be originally a 14 inch  trim ring off another Ford car?  Possibly later Torino, Ranchero  or LTD II ???

Thanks for all that continue to help in the exploration of original/correct parts for these cars.   As you all can see - the "dive" can get pretty deep!

Ray

 

[mjlan]

Hey Ray,

Not sure about trim ring P/N's, but

I do agree that there are two different 14" trim rings- a thinner version for the 14x6" wheels and thicker ones for 14x7" wheels.

Not sure what dictated the different wheels unless it was only what tires or Comp Suspension or some thing.

Secluff?

 

[secluff]

There were three different trim rings utilized for the 71-3 Mustang. The 14" x 6" wheel used D0DZ-1210-A (D0DA-A, B) This trim ring was sourced from the '70/ Maverick. The 14" x 7" wheel used D0ZZ-1210-B (D0ZA-B, E). This trim ring was sourced from the '70 Mustang. The 15" x 7" wheel used D0ZZ-1210-C (D0ZA-1210-D, G). This trim ring was sourced from the '70 Boss 302 which was the first of the first generation Mustangs to use a 15" x 7" steel rim. All trim rings had a brushed finish. Ford did not use a bright or chrome finish trim ring on these wheels. There was a running change on the valve stem hole. There were reports from the field that the original trim ring with the round hole was cutting and damaging the valve stem when removed for maintenance. Engineering released new trim rings with an oval or "Racetrack" shaped hole that made removing the trim ring easier without damaging the valve stem.
The center cap dog dishes were the same size regardless of rim size. The difference is a brushed finish for trim ring-equipped cars and a shiny or chrome finish for non-trim ring vehicles. The 15" trim rings were only utilized from 1970-72 on the Mustang and 70-71 on the Torino. So finding a nice set 50 years later can be a frustrating and expensive search.

What rims were standard and optional was dependent on how the vehicle was equipped. Different body styles, standard and optional equipment weights, all were factors on the wheel and tire size. At one time Ford restricted the use of Magnum wheels on the '71 Torino. They were not available on station wagons, any model with a 6 cyl engine, or any model with a 429 and AC. A lot of this came about because of the safety related limitations of the F60 X 15" tires and the additional weight of different models and equipment combinations.